Book 11 Title: Knife of Dreams [Archive]

GWINNA

8th April 2004, 16:48

Wotmania and Dragmount have confired that the title of Book 11 will be Knife of Dreams. Dragonmount was able to get confirmation from RJ himself:

My personal opinion, it doensn't fit with the titles of the other books very well. :confused:
The Eye of The World - makes sense, good title
The Great Hunt - makes sense, good title
The Dragon Reborn - makes sense, good title
The Shadow Rising - close enough, good title
The Fires of Heaven - eh, decent title
Lord of Chaos - fair enough, dencent title
A Crown of Swords - makes sense, lacks pinach
The Path of Daggers - came from one obscure line in the book, great title if it tied in more
Winter's Heart- eh, ok title
Crossroads of Twilight - WTF????, sounds kind of over the top
Knife of Dreams - currently unknown, WAY over the top, there better be a damn knife in this book and it better be important :eek5:

Molimo

8th April 2004, 18:24

Actually... I'd guess that the title's referring to dreams more than knives. In other words, it's probably going to involve something major in T'A'R, Lanfear, Moggy, or all of the above.

'Skis

8th April 2004, 19:04

Will someone be collecting a whole set of steak knives in T'A'R?

Easy RJ title Generator.

Pick two random numbers from one to five.

1. SWORD
2. DAGGER
3. KNIFE
4. AXE
5. FISH

"of"

1. FURY
2. HOPE
3. TWILIGHT
4. CRYSTALS
5. UNLEVENED BREAD

There you have it, your title.

lan sam

9th April 2004, 02:59

hehe. it used to actually make sense because it was what the book was about.

Beowulf

9th April 2004, 13:24

Danie Dell

9th April 2004, 18:52

Sajhe

13th April 2004, 14:08

you guys can´t see whats under your nose.

knife of dreams = Slayer.

Byrn

13th April 2004, 14:26

Or since he's aluded the Tower of Ghenji is involved, it could be Thom's Daggers.

Amelia Sedai

13th April 2004, 17:17

Whatever the title, I am looking forward to reading it!

'Skis

15th April 2004, 02:01

I still like my theory of the tower of ghenjei
Thom, Rand, Mat and Perrin have to rescue Moiraine...Ok, this should be in Theories...*toddles off*

chavv

15th April 2004, 10:39

nah, Egwine will fight with Halima in TAR

Mizz Elayne

15th April 2004, 13:48

Or maybe Moiraine is in T'A'R and Thom will save her with his dagger... Should be called Dagger of Dreams then, but daggers are already used.. Besides, that would have been a stupid title :2eyes:

Darius Sei'taer

15th April 2004, 14:50

All I know is I hope it is longer than before and progresses the story along. I hope it is not just another scene setter.
But it definitely must involve the Slayer who is Lan's relative? and Moirane in some form with Thom Merrilin.

Jason

15th April 2004, 20:33

GWINNA

16th April 2004, 01:26

I can't wait for "FISH OF FURY" to hit the shelves.
Hey, I was wondering if anybody could make a little program that would randomly make a jordon-esqe title based on previous titles, almost like a random name genterator thingy
The eye of a crown's heart and jazz like that

'Skis

16th April 2004, 04:03

What, is my spanktiferous name generator not good enough G.W.I.N.N.A?

Jean

16th April 2004, 07:06

Hey, I was wondering if anybody could make a little program that would randomly make a jordon-esqe title based on previous titles, almost like a random name genterator thingy
The eye of a crown's heart and jazz like that

I have a name generator thingy I was playing around with, if it's just the book titles I could probably get it up and running now. If not, I'll upload the file somewhere for people to mess around with.

GWINNA

16th April 2004, 10:57

What, is my spanktiferous name generator not good enough G.W.I.N.N.A?
Its not that at all, you inspired me actualy...:D

Jason

16th April 2004, 19:20

Hey, I was wondering if anybody could make a little program that would randomly make a jordon-esqe title based on previous titles, almost like a random name genterator thingy
The eye of a crown's heart and jazz like that

I dunno, that could lead to things like, Robert Jordan's "Great Sword Rising."

That's just wrong.

Warder Trained

19th April 2004, 00:56

Why? Add in some green susceptible forms names and you're all set.

Durendal

20th April 2004, 20:21

Actually, could the "Knife of Dreams" have anything to do with Dragonmount? I thought that the mountain was called Kinslayer's Dagger... or something.

*shrug*

Beowulf

20th April 2004, 20:26

Maybe it has to do with cutting through ideals and someone's preconceptions of something.

Harun

20th April 2004, 20:37

Actually, could the "Knife of Dreams" have anything to do with Dragonmount? I thought that the mountain was called Kinslayer's Dagger... or something.

*shrug*

Kinslayer's Dagger is just a small mountain range, a spur off the Dragonwall. Dragonmount, on the other hand, is a big mountain on a plain, just west of Tar Valon.

Jean

25th April 2004, 21:40

Amazon UK has posted a synopsis for the book. It's one of those previews that tells you nothing, but manages to make it sound exciting anyway. lol

Synopsis:
Robert Jordan's epic fantasy saga The Wheel of Time is now firmly established as a classic of the genre and a world- wide bestseller. Now the series continues with the eagerly-awaited eleventh volume ... The Seanchan Empire has primed their invading armies and they are advancing rapidly. The people look to the Aes Sedai sisterhood for protection, but the Aes Sedai have grown complacent after generations of authority. Yet as their numbers have dwindled, a secret society has been hiding under the White Tower's very nose. A society rich in power that could make all the difference in the final conflict ... Yet Rand Al'Thor, the Dragon Reborn, is the only one who can triumph against the Dark One, and he will have to battle against the Seanchan, the White Tower and betrayal before the last battle.

Beowulf

26th April 2004, 00:04

Secret society?

Amberly

26th April 2004, 05:55

that would be the Kin

Mizz Elayne

26th April 2004, 08:22

But the Tower knew about them. They were hiding, but from the text is sounds like it's something the White Tower doesn't know about. Besides, it's a society rich in power, which I can't remember the Kin being

Amberly

26th April 2004, 23:51

the Aes Sedai know about the kin but the kin dont know that and the rest of the world surely doesnt know that thus 'secret society' and they are "rich in power" because they have more people than the Aes Sedai and they live longer they also know more about some weaves. the text is only for the purpose of sales so they make the kin sound more interesting by saying they're a secret society rich in power instead they are an off branch of run aways who know some cool stuff

Raunch

27th April 2004, 09:28

It actually refers to five hundred pages of how Egwene clips her nails with a butter knife during her capture. Another four hundred pages of the whisking sound the knife makes when it cuts each nail. I kid.....but not really. I sure hope that this book is better than the last one. I almost didn't finish it. :kill:

GWINNA

27th April 2004, 19:55

Secret society?
Black Ajah maybe?

Beowulf

27th April 2004, 23:00

GWINNA

27th April 2004, 23:12

What if there's another secret society? And Verin and Cadsuane are a part of it. Remember there was a small sect of Aes Sedai who dedicated themselves to finding the Dragon Reborn after the foreseeing that heralded his birth, Moiraine and Siuan were part of it. It would be pretty exciting if there were more to that group than we knew!
I think its a little late for that...I mean it'd be cool but its too late to make them anymore then an afterthought

Beowulf

27th April 2004, 23:17

Arggh, let's go... Cult of the Dragon....!!!

GWINNA

27th April 2004, 23:39

Arggh, let's go... Cult of the Dragon....!!!
Only if they include an ritual where they get naked and dance the macarana....

lan sam

28th April 2004, 01:25

or the Sa'Sara.
I think there should be a purple or teal or tan Ajah or somehting. That'd be stpid though.

GWINNA

28th April 2004, 11:53

or the Sa'Sara.
I think there should be a purple or teal or tan Ajah or somehting. That'd be stpid though.
How about the "naked" ajah? :cheers:

lan sam

29th April 2004, 00:00

You've got something there. You should definitely piss RJ off by bothering him with that. hehe

DragonMaster

1st May 2004, 01:13

Knife Of Dreams could mean another tar'angreal for entering tel'aran'rhiod.... hmmmm

Jaric Mondoran

10th May 2004, 19:31

Actually, the secret society refers to another secret society, who will be clouding things up even more, and wasting more pages in the book. It is probably the society that is behind all of the sitters from the different Ajah's being so young - Remember Egwene wonders how that could be possible, it is almost as if someone was deliberately managing things behind the scenes. Of course, they wonder whether it could be the Black Ajah, because they know of no other group that has power that stretches across the Ajahs. But then they dismiss that thought, because if the Black Ajah had that much power, they would be in charge of everything already.

Obviously this unkown group is the secret society they are talking about. I wonder what this secret knowledge is.

I seem to remember that someone in Elaida's group also noted that a lot of sitters appeared to be extremely young for their positions.

Just what we need, another complication, when we cannot even advance all the plotlines we already have, in an entire book. This series will never end...

Mizz Elayne

11th May 2004, 10:23

What if there's another secret society? And Verin and Cadsuane are a part of it. Remember there was a small sect of Aes Sedai who dedicated themselves to finding the Dragon Reborn after the foreseeing that heralded his birth, Moiraine and Siuan were part of it. It would be pretty exciting if there were more to that group than we knew!

But then wouldn't Cadsuane and Verin know what the other was doing? Somewhere in the books, while they were in Cairhien, one of them wonders what the other one is doing. Don't remember who, though..

Jaric Mondoran

11th May 2004, 13:52

You're right. At one point, Verin is about to put some poison in Cadsuane's tea, but then she hears that Cadsuane is planning, and puts the poison away again.

Beowulf

11th May 2004, 14:21

But then wouldn't Cadsuane and Verin know what the other was doing? Somewhere in the books, while they were in Cairhien, one of them wonders what the other one is doing. Don't remember who, though..

Oh well now I think the secret society that was mentioned is the Black Ajah Hunters that Elaida appointed anyway. :cheers:

edit: but Jaric's suggestion is also good and very possible!

Alexandra

28th June 2004, 19:46

As far as I'm concerned, he can call the book whatever the hell he likes, as long as he hurries the hell up with it, and something actually happens in the plot!!!

Sorry, I have issues with C.O.T.

Alex Imil

4th January 2005, 17:42

Anyone know when this books comin out? I want to know how much time I have (Im still trying to get my hands on a copy of 7...)

Jennifer

4th January 2005, 18:14

We probably won't know when it's coming out until it's been on the shelves for a few weeks.

Alex Imil

4th January 2005, 18:17

yeah... thats probably true...

Zzbrynia

5th January 2005, 09:32

October 6, 2005 is the scheduled release date for KoD, but that's subject to change and most likely will.

'Skis

5th January 2005, 15:48

Wow, it's so close, it better be damn good, too!

Mazrim_Taim

5th January 2005, 16:12

I agree. It better!
He's got lots to cram into this one, so should be nice and fast paced (don't see how it couldn't...)

Adonis

7th January 2005, 13:11

-Hopes it's not a repeat of CoT-

I enjoy politics, but enough is enough.. Especially since the entire book was Elayne and her quest for the crown. :-/

'Skis

7th January 2005, 21:34

Tell me about it.

Mazrim_Taim

7th January 2005, 22:56

And they only built it up and up and up. And then no resolution action! And a cliffhanger ending!

Eolyn

10th January 2005, 15:42

I feel bad....talking about RJ like this....he must have alot of pressure to finish these and have them as good as before....no wonder he's been sliding.

Adonis

10th January 2005, 17:52

Still, The guy's in relatively good health. I guess. He's still got at least another 5-10 years. :-/

Zzbrynia

11th January 2005, 09:36

That's been one of my greatest fears since I really got into the WoT series.... if he dies before he finishes the series I'll go insane.

RandomSanity

12th January 2005, 20:11

That's been one of my greatest fears since I really got into the WoT series.... if he dies before he finishes the series I'll go insane.

And the worst part is that you know he already knows the ending. The last chapter's probably been written for years now. :devil:

Eolyn

17th January 2005, 13:02

Light!
*jumps around room, singing loudly to get thought out of head*

JSJay

17th January 2005, 14:42

nice singing voice Eolyn :D

That's been one of my greatest fears since I really got into the WoT series.... if he dies before he finishes the series I'll go insane.

I think I may have tripped over the edge of insanity waiting for the last couple of books.. :grumbles:

Ramonixle

31st January 2005, 14:46

And the worst part is that you know he already knows the ending. The last chapter's probably been written for years now. :devil:

He's probably got the whole rest of the series written. He's just sitting at his computer laughing at all of us as we squirm in anticipation. :type:

Sathos

31st January 2005, 18:44

He's watching us, thinking of plots in which he controls our minds and takes over the world, thus imposing far away release dates on all upcoming books :2eyes:

Dregs

31st January 2005, 19:25

He's probably just sitting around smoking crack.

Sathos

31st January 2005, 19:36

So maybe Knife of Dreams was really meant to be released a year ago, but he kept saying "C'mon, publisher dude, let's go watch TV. What, the book? What book? Dude, you've gotta lighten up!"

neverborn

1st February 2005, 00:42

I think I read somewhere that he has known the series ending for 20 years now

Aragorn

1st February 2005, 10:09

I think I read somewhere that he has known the series ending for 20 years now

Wow, what a great scoop! This should be posted on the front page, seriously!

neverborn

1st February 2005, 17:42

Ah! Its imposibble to detect sarcasm or lack of it on the internet!
Damn you!

Alex Imil

5th February 2005, 13:50

I read somewhere the series will be finishe in 12 books. This is 11, so only one more!!!

Sathos

5th February 2005, 20:47

I've heard the same. I'm currently on book eight (nearly nine) and it's already starting to drag a little bit, so 12 should be good enough number for anyone ^_^

Alex Imil

6th February 2005, 09:10

I actually enjoyed book 8. I liked watching Tylin cut Mat down to size.

Byrn

6th February 2005, 10:42

When I went to the Crossroads of Twilight book signing, Jordan said he is trying to finish the series by book 12. I think it will be 13.

neverborn

7th February 2005, 06:41

Even if the quality of books continues its decline, I still hope they go on for a long while. I don't know what I'd do without more WoT. ON another note, who else re-reads the entire series in order in lead-up to a new Novel. I started way to early this time around, am Already on Fires of Heaven, but Ive been thinking changing my method and re-reading the entire series, then the most recent two books again, so as to keep up to date with new characters.

Alex Imil

7th February 2005, 15:23

NOt me, since I haven't read the whole thing in the first place.

Karistina

8th February 2005, 10:33

NOt me, since I haven't read the whole thing in the first place.

So you're here because...?

Alex Imil

8th February 2005, 16:42

I have 2 more to go, and at the speed I read, I can be done long before the 11th book comes out. BTW, sorry for my stupidity in the WT thread.

Adonis

15th February 2005, 17:46

Kel Romanov

22nd March 2005, 13:31

Just a wee question, is there a release date for book seven in the UK?

4th Dimension

22nd March 2005, 19:37

Well if you like some loony theories about synopsis written in bad English here you are
(I wrote this like a post on Theories sub forum so it should explain it's strange shape)
Wll since we know that Min is NEVER wrong we may safely assume that Morraine is still alive and will be coming back soon. Probably she will be rescued by Mat and Thom (I think it will be so because Ewgene dreamed :"Mat throwing dice with blood streaming down his face, the wide brim of his hat pulled low so she could not see his wound, while Thom Merrilin put his hand into a fire to draw out the small blue stone that now dangled on Moiraine?s forehead.", and poor Mat will probably loose his eye there. But that is not shure because Ewgenes Dreamer's dreams are not 100% shure as Min readings.). Oh by the way Cyande if mot probably Leanfer.
For Ewgene, I think this will happen. Tar Valon will be attacked by Sceanshan
(again Ewgenes dream "A small white plinth stood centered in that circle, supporting an oil-lamp made of clear glass. The flame on that lamp burned bright and steady, without flickering. It was white too. Suddenly a pair of birds flashed out of the mist, two ravens black as night. Streaking across the spire-top, they struck the lamp and flew on without so much as a pause. The lamp spun and wobbled, dancing around atop the plinth, flinging off droplets of oil. Some of those drops caught fire in midair and vanished. Others fell around the short column, each supporting a tiny, flickering white flame. And the lamp continued to wobble on the edge of falling." and Ewgene has seen omething she thinks it's Draghtar but does not look like one and probably is one of Scheanshan raken scouts for Fists of Haven airborn infantry)
and she will be probably saved by a Sheanshan woman carrying a sword ("Abruptly, the ledge dropped away from under her with the crack of crumbling stone, and she caught frantically at the cliff, fingers scrabbling to find a hold. [...] Suddenly a woman appeared, clambering down the sheer side of the cliff out of the clouds, making her way as deftly as if she were walking down stairs. There was a sword strapped to her back. Her face wavered, never settling clearly, but the sword seemed as solid as the stone. The woman reached Egwene's level and held out one hand. "We can reach the top together," she said in a familiar drawling accent.") and I dont know who's that woman but Tuon says shes been trained in arts of suitable weapons and that probably means swordmanship (since w guesd that Mat will go in Finn Land we can assume Tuon may folow him and I'm sure he can "politely" ak them for a passage to Tar Valon (on the other hand he may not specify where to go and knowing finn they might drop him off at the last place he would go Tar Valon full of AS (which he hates) nad Scheanshan (from which he took DoNM))).
Wow what a post!!!!!!!!!! I only need to add how will Perrin get Faile out and Rand's troubles when meeting false DoNM and I've got synopsis of the entir book.

Now since you all want Slayer I can give it to you with slight change in story. Well instead loosing an eye to free Morraine Mat coul loose it because Slayer could be finn champion (we se him entering Tower of Gangenhi in book 4 which lead to finn world so we can assume he's at leat friendly with nakes and foxes) and to free Morraine he neede to fight win Slayer. For Rand I have only ome vague idea. It's allmoust certan that he will be put in that male a'dam but how will he break loose I don't know, but maby he will be saved by Perrin (Min predicted that he will be needed twice by Ran's side to help Rand (Dumai Wells was once)) and we know that Perrin is probably going to probably ally himself with Scheanshan to free Faile. But that mistery Sheanshan who would help Ewgene might not be Tuon, it could be some ranom S woman who we didn't yet meat. And Gawin is outside Tar Valon so if RJ doesn't put them finaly together, or bring Morraine back to story or if he writes another COT I'm personaly goning to torture (He would think Shemirage is nice after I have finished with him)!!!

Time has spoken.

http://www.wotism.net/forums/showpost.php?p=214711&postcount=5

Ancelot

29th March 2005, 12:48

robert jordan must be running low on good book titles. well who can blame im, it is book number 11. if i would have written as many books, ive would probably been out of ideas befor i came to book number 2

aan'allein

30th March 2005, 21:37

Titles don't bother me, it's what is in the story that I want to know. Do we have any idea what the book is about? Is it going back to the present story? Or are we keeping with the Lan/Moiraine thing?

Though I like the Fish of Unleaven Bread thing. It would be a brilliant title! :D

Thank you! Someone has sense! Who cares about the title; it's the content that matters. I've heard Crossroads of Twilight was a major disappointment, though I wouldn't know, as I'm currently reading the Fires of Heaven (it was either that or the Fish of Unleavened Bread; a tough choice). And no, Knife of Dreams will take place in the major course of events, not after New Spring.

Dragon Man

3rd April 2005, 15:19

aan, CoT is a huge dissapointment, im not even done with it and i already despise every chapter of it. it has Mat on the cover, and I dont remember him being mentioned once yet, and im halfway done with the damn thing

4th Dimension

4th April 2005, 18:58

Mat got only two chapters if I remember well and you wont get much impresed by them (mainly trying to impress Tuon).
On evybody's queston what happened in COT the answer is NOTHING important (except maby Eleyne is a step further towards throne, a werry small step).

Fearless

16th April 2005, 18:29

i guess complaining about the decline of the book content wasn't enough(which is well deserved).. but seriously you must be getting bored if your complaining about the titles now. the first thing i thought of when i heard/read that the next book was called knife of dreams was that we'll probably see a battle on a hole different level through dreams.. maybe some of that fantastic stuff from the age of legends will come back. and i think that it goes without saying that knife of dreams could also mean "cut by dreams" which has some possibilities.
i personally think this is a dumb topic to complain about... you can make anything look dumb if you mock it enough.. oooh the eye of the world!! what other body part can we stick with this? the ear of the ocean!!! let's be serious, the title is fine :zzz:

Vivacia

24th April 2005, 14:46

I read the entire series every year. originnaly as a lead up to the next book. now just because.

4th Dimension

24th April 2005, 16:37

Knife of Dreams decriptiion (http://www.dragonmount.com/News/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1114022763&archive=&start_from=&ucat=37&) has been posted on Dragonmount from Amazon.com. Thing that bugges me that on amason it is said tkat KoD has 1000!? pages.
http://www.dragonmount.com/News/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1114022763&archive=&start_from=&ucat=37&

Dragon Man

24th April 2005, 19:29

1000 pages?? great, at least it looks like it will be 1000 pages of something, unlike the 7-800 pages of nothing in CoT

Tel Janin

25th April 2005, 11:45

hmmm, if it is over 1000 pages i'm hoping we'll get something like TSR where we had 1000 pages of great writing ;)

4th Dimension

25th April 2005, 16:50

OR it will be 1000 pages of realy stupid things.

Thought if RJ realy think to finish with book 12. some things must be cleared cos half of 12. should be TG (or I hope it will be).

Tel Janin

25th April 2005, 17:21

yeah, if he wants to get this series cleared up in the next 2 books, then they're gonna have to be books that either

1) are damn long and have a lot of stuff happening.

or

2) end stupidly with plots not properly finished.

Kars

26th April 2005, 20:51

yeah i have this wierd therory that they "tom and Moirane" will end up togather. And i really dont like the title... (muttering to self about bread and book titles)

4th Dimension

27th April 2005, 17:00

Thim and Moraninne getting togethr isn't that uncomon theory.

nazgulboy

4th May 2005, 03:37

ooooh, knife of dreams...i dont really care what its titled, i just cant wait for it to come out....u know how seriously pissed i'd be if robert jordan died or sumthin b4 he finished the series?? *knock on wood* may he live forever

fizban

17th May 2005, 12:37

you're not the only one, I would kill myself and hunt him in the netherworld if he dared die without finishing!

MWAHAHAHAHA

4th Dimension

18th May 2005, 17:32

We would yost need to wait till he gets reborn. Hm on that matter read this http://www.sadame.net/WOT/humor2/news3000.html

fizban

20th May 2005, 07:36

......., how .....odd.....

ROFL

Alex Imil

20th May 2005, 16:20

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!! Good that's good.

4th Dimension

20th May 2005, 16:59

Hm, I'v got more links like that but I wont send beacause if I send another one I would not be able to stop until you beg for me to stop, and that meens evry post another link. an---..-.samf kanf
/tries to restrain the hand from copying another link
/slams the hand
/bites it
/it hit's me
Dirty fighter!!
/after 10 minutes of blody violence
Ah finaly under control

Bye

Spartan1999

20th May 2005, 17:12

Hey, just curious on that map you made, where is the stedding that Perrin and Egwene go to when they get the shit kicked out of them by the whitecloaks in book 1? The one with the watering hole and the ruins of the Artur Hawkwing statue.
I thought it was somewehere between Shadar Logoth and Caemlyn?

4th Dimension

21st May 2005, 17:04

Wait a sec until I scan map in my book(note it's in Serbian).
It's between whitebridge ('Beli most' on map) and Caemlyn ('Kaemlin'). Statue of AH is marked on map. I didn't include it in map because I limited myself on inhabited stedding but i will mark it right away(it will take som time because then I need to upload it using modem and it will take a while).

So how you like the map?
I will accept any recomendations for moving something or adding.

4th Dimension

21st May 2005, 17:54

Hm, yes I updated the map because of Spartan's recomendation.

greeneyes

24th May 2005, 09:46

Titles don't matter, content does. After all, they are all subtitles anyway. The actual title of all of it is the Wheel of Time now isn't it? It is short, sweet, to the point and if fits the series. Nuf said about the title.

As far as content, since RJ has kept us enthralled and wanting more even though we were all disappointed in CoT, I for one will withhold judgement until the volume is in my hands and I am reading it.

Master Perrin

29th May 2005, 09:07

does anybody have the english release date for the new book? anybody?

4th Dimension

29th May 2005, 15:02

The Tor hardcover edition of Knife of Dreams will be on sale October 11, 2005. Various booksellers already have it listed:
Tor hardcover, ISBN 0-312-87307-7 Barnes&Noble - listed but not yet taking orders
Clarkesworld Books - available for pre-order
Amazon.com - available for pre-order
Amazon.ca - available for pre-order

Orbit hardcover, ISBN 1-84149-163-2 Amazon UK - listed with an on-sale date of October 6, 2005 ? available for pre-order

Orbit trade paperback, ISBN 1-84149-164-0 Amazon UK - listed with an on-sale date of October 6, 2005 ? available for pre-order

All clear?

Ahh I found this on http://encyclopaedia-wot.org:8008/main/news.html
Embers Falling on Dry Grass
As with the last two books, Simon&Schuster will publish the prologue to Knife of Dreams as an e-book under the Scribner imprint. The title of the prologue is Embers Falling on Dry Grass. A release date has not been set but it will be available late June or early July. Price is $3.50. There is also an excerpt of the prologue included with the paperback edition of New Spring: The Novel scheduled for release on May 31st.
And I don't know if it will interest someone i seems it will be Galads POV, but only seems.

4th Dimension

4th June 2005, 10:18

Coverpage of KOD http://encyclopaedia-wot.org:8008/graphics/kod.jpg
Also here you can find summary of Galad's PoV in Prlogue of KOD http://encyclopaedia-wot.org:8008/books/kod/prologue.html It's worth checking out.

Mazrim_Taim

6th June 2005, 21:31

Hey, does anyone else think that the stupid artist makes Perrin look like he's in his 30's?
Also, that dagger that Gaul (presumably) is wearing looks a little too much like a sword to me...
And he's got a bit of a belly! But he's a stone dog, so that's allowed.
(mutters about half decent cover artist)

4th Dimension

7th June 2005, 17:30

This one by my opinion is the worstest cover in entire series.
Aiel with sword, bahhhhh
Perin is an old man, aaaaaahhhhh

Byrn

8th June 2005, 07:13

Nope, The Great Hunt takes the cake.

Mr.Popo

8th June 2005, 14:06

how do u know that it is them??

Mazrim_Taim

8th June 2005, 17:01

Yeah...
The weird NOT TALL! looking Loial. The non sexy Lanfear. And the NON red hair NON cool looking Rand with a WESTERN sword (it is curved dammit!). And those trolloc things...They look like normal humans but for their armor...what's with that?!
Yeah..the Great Hunt aint good either. Though I hate the one from the Shadow Rising the most, as I have no idea which characters are which and have read no scene in the book that looks anything like that. Maybe that's just rand chilling by the wagon talking to an aiel, and a few other aiel walking around. And I think that's Isendre whatshername or maybe lanfear in the foreground...
Still, the scenes the artist gives are poorly done, and usually have little to do with the book (though book covers that give too much away are not cool as well), and the characters are often not accurate to descriptions in the book.
Ok, nough ranting for me.

mattimeo

21st June 2005, 05:20

The Knife of Dreams refers to either,as it has been mentioned, Slayer-Isam/Luc, or possibly Thom's or Mat's knives. We know that Thom pulls Moiriane's stone from a fire. This may mean that she has been kept prisoner by the *Finn. Now, Mat would go after this, considering he has some serious payback issues with the Snakes and Foxes.
So if we are considering a rescue mission to find Moiraine, it would include: Thom, Mat, Perrin(to go through the Tower of Ghenjei to to get Faile, as Hopper once hinted.) Birgitte would also go because she is losing memories of Gaidal,and she will probably trade herself for Moiraine.
Tell me what youthink.
Mat

Shawn1141

21st June 2005, 13:49

I thought it referred more to Tel'aran'riod and the concequences their. But your idea for rescuing Moiraine seems like it would work. But I don't know if Birgitte would trade herself for Moraine because she's bonded to Elayne and that could really screw up her brain.

4th Dimension

21st June 2005, 20:37

No Mat would probably gamble or play some game ('Snakes and Foxes' that Oliver plays. He allways loosesbut he doesnt then trow the dices) and probabl loose or trade his eye. That Egwene Dream Thom and Mat were together in it. Mar was gambling witouth an eye while Thom was pulling out the stone.

I dont think that Perin would save Faile in thet fasion trought th TOG. Yes he will probably be needed to show the tower but he will have a big battle early in the bookwhile probably allied with Seanchan(a litile observation. All big fraction baddies names start with an S, Shadow, Shaido, Seanchan. Triple S of doom :D ). And Perin would probably be needed to be close to Rand for the second time to fulfil Min's viewening when Semirage (Ananath) cacures him, thought I doubit she will wear the braicelet because of the backfire effect. Mat will probably meet Perin after or just before the battle with Shaido. See this http://www.wotmania.com/theorypostdbtheory.asp?ID=1037&Category=Maps
It would be nice for Galad to finaly stumble upon Baerlin so she can finaly find her man in white(I can say here something aout Barlines taste but I will refrain my self because it's not important, but if you want to know just tell, it's nothing special just an observation why she woul like galad so much).

Whos remaining.
Ah Egghead.
She will probably be doing undercover in TV. Possibly via dreams and it allmoust sure that Seanchan will attack soon and a Seanchan woman will save her. Who would she be it's a question but probably a new character or Tuon or that Domon's Seanchan Chick.
Nyneave will be sniffing and telling how foolish men are while acting as a child when Cadsuande using (what's the name of thet ex Seanchan damaine stronger than NYN)<-her.
Logain will be retaicking BT or he wont cos he will probably have his hands full when Seanchan Capture Rand.
Elene will probably get that bloody crown, finaly.

Ah yes I forgot Slayer. Yo know he is a kind of antythesis of Perin, his arch enemy. Perin's a wolfbrother, while Slayer sleys wolfes in T'A'R, and both have access to it. And remember how Slayer got away from Perin, by using TOG (Tower of Gangehi) so hes probably familiar with the place. So if they go there they could easil run into him.

Now the thing that wories me is that RJ said when he anaunced that he handed the book to ToR on 7th A long-running thread or two finally get tied off
It's kinda small number for me, considering he nees a good part of 12 book to be TG.

aan'allein

1st July 2005, 22:48

Update in case anyone didn't know:

In the United States and Canada, Book 11 in the Wheel of Time series, "Knife of Dreams", comes out October 11th, 2005. Muahahaha, I've already got my copy pre-ordered!

4th Dimension

2nd July 2005, 18:11

I allready said that in post above that coverpage picture.

4th Dimension

21st July 2005, 16:53

You can read that part (and that part is good) of KOD prologuo that came out with new edition of NS featuring Galads PoV here: http://www.knifeofdreams.com/excerpt.php

Hope you enjou.

fizban

22nd July 2005, 12:38

he'll make a much better LCC than valda or even niall, maybe. he might even come over to rand due to the hlaf-brother thing. Rand's mother, Shaiel, was really Tigraine, Galad's mother. ;)

4th Dimension

22nd July 2005, 16:54

One theory for next course of action for galad will be allying with Roder Italude because he is the closest anti Seanchan force and by now his plan will be coming into action.

fizban

24th July 2005, 09:56

also possible, though it will be interesting to see if he think putting Ituralde in charge will be the best course of action, he is one of the great general's, after all. there is also the question of whether or not he'll learn of him at all. the last i heard, everyone outside or Arad Domad thought him dead.

4th Dimension

24th July 2005, 16:26

Problem is they wont meet it seeams. Galad got it seems 7000 WC with him and is on the run (report of General Galgan to Suroth from KoD prologue which is out and I got it trought non legal ways (trought a webpage where somebody put it). Since such actions are prohibited here I wont post the link. Just a hint. Search Wotmania they may have a theme about this). Iterlude executed his plan and is running towards Arad Doman to lure Seanchan in a trap.
Synopsis of prologue can be found here http://www.wotmania.com/wotmessageboardshowmessage.asp?MessageID=215058

4th Dimension

11th August 2005, 16:29

You can download first chapter of KoD by preordering KOD via Amazon. Those who allready preordered are screwed. Tought the can cancel preorder and do it again.
It's Siuan's PoV.

4th Dimension

18th August 2005, 17:34

It seems KoD won't be anywhere near 1000 pages.

Here's the official info:

Book details:
ISBN: 0312873077
761 pages, not counting the gloassary
783 pages including the glossary
37 Chapters (Chapter 2: "The Dark One's Touch")
2 new chapter icons

So it goes like this:

Prologue: Embers falling on dry grass 1
1 When Last Sounds 91
2 The Dark One's Touch 119

So some 15,5% has gone to Prol and CH 1.
An I the only one who thinks this is hige procentage.

Ah yes. Nobody reads this thread.

Edit:
Ah yes I forgot this:

The opening epigram is:
The sweetness of victory and the bitterness of defeat are like a knife of dreams. -- from Fog and Steel by Madoc Comadrin

So all those theories who's knife of dreams fall.

4th Dimension

30th August 2005, 19:20

I'v come in possesion of certan Chapter 1 of certan highly anticipated book (whose name begins with a K) of certan author.

PM me if you want it.

Jacob

3rd September 2005, 18:15

I just noticed that Jason of Dragonmount - being a recipient of an advance copy - have posted a review of KOD. This review can be found Here (http://www.dragonmount.com/Books/Knife_of_Dreams/review.php)

I don't know how un-biased this guy is considering his buddy status with Tor and RJ. None-the-less, reading this review has gotten my hopes up abit.

Thorbear

4th September 2005, 10:05

oh my god, oh my god!!!!!
Just read an excerpt from the prologue (http://www.knifeofdreams.com/excerpt.php) for Knife of Dreams. Oh my God! It was GOOD! Can't wait for the book to be released!

4th Dimension

8th September 2005, 12:46

Didn't you see my post above Thorbear.

But I imagine some people don't want to get some certan book spoiled.
On contrary to them I want to know everything now.

Yes I saw Jasons rewiew but I didn't post it here because it seemed to me that no body watches this page.
There is another a bit shorter rewiew at wotmania http://www.wotmania.com/wotmessageboardshowmessage.asp?MessageID=234205

Those are two sites you should monitor.
Dragonmount News section and wotmania Mesage board.

Dragon Man

21st September 2005, 20:44

Woah, read THor's excerpt. Speechless except for two words: Holy shit! 4th, I would ask for that chapter, but I prefer to read the whole book rather than all of it except for one chapter ;)

Kars

22nd September 2005, 14:13

dang guys. Grrrr. Chastiny says i cant read the thing till the book comes out cause she wont. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. i wanna read it. How good was it? torture me.

4th Dimension

23rd September 2005, 18:53

Ohoho someone actualy poste on this thread. I tought I only post here anouncements for myself which onbody cares to read like this isn't a WoT forum.

Hm Look on Dragonmount and find their News section in previous days several magasins and other stuff made their rewiews of KOD.
Then go to motmania messageboard and you can find there everything from listing of Chapters/PoV-s, spoilers from people that read it, rewievs without spoulers from fans who read it.

I have no intention to bring the stuf here, you go there if you are interested. I can shurely say you won't get disapointed.

Alex Imil

5th October 2005, 10:27

Ehlana Taravin of Tar Valon.net has also recieved an advance copy. While being under threats of bodily harm to not reveal anything, she has said that readers will enjoy it. Exact words:
"You'll enjoy it, more then any book since The Shadow Rising. I kid you not."

4th Dimension

6th October 2005, 18:43

Well acording to normal readers (not those owning huge sites and living from them) it is a good book but still not good as first couple of ones. Not that it is bad. It is much better than later ones but not as good as first ones.

Indigo Montoya

11th October 2005, 08:47

So did anyone get KoD yet ???????

Thorbear

11th October 2005, 12:21

Yesh! I have it! And I lurves it. gonna read it now

Aviendha2

11th October 2005, 12:33

That's right. It came out today. I so want to get it. But my parents say that I have to wait for th epaperback edition.

Cerryl Bastil

11th October 2005, 16:05

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Just came home from school/Barnes and Nobles....

ANDDDDD

I HAVE KNIFE OF DREAMSZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!

IT IS MINE AT LAST!!!!!!!!!!

MY PRECIOUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

And yes, KoD is only 761 pages.

Relativity

11th October 2005, 19:31

You have to wait till Paperback that is like 3 month's you know that right?

HAHAHA

Tel Janin

12th October 2005, 14:25

Got the book delivered yesterday, and so ... i read it all in one sitting, which i believe lasted until 3:30am (school was definitely not fun today) and i can safely say, KoD is awesome :D

Much much much better than the last few books in the series.

Marie Sedai

12th October 2005, 14:48

Tel Janin

12th October 2005, 16:12

I know what you mean, he seemed to have been trying to fit a lot in without actually increasing the book size too much. It can kind of skip from event to event leaving you wondering what happened (i had to re-read a couple of chapters to understand them). But in a lot of ways i think i preferred this to the glacial pace of the last few books, some detail is always nice, but sometimes i think he used far too much.

As a contrast this seems almost the complete opposite, but there were some bits i would have liked a little more detail on, particularly on Rands chapters towards the end. But i guess you can't have everything, overall i'm more than happy with the book :D

Marie Sedai

12th October 2005, 21:11

True. I'm glad I am not that insane yet. I was worried I was the only one who felt this way. Well...I know he wants the series done, and I did enjoy the book. To be honest, I was enjoying his more sedate pace. Oh well, on the positive, I've enjoyed how he's gone through different paces in each book. Though I do feel that Semrihage was um...slighted in her fight with Rand. I mean really...um. Lack of description anyone?

Tel Janin

13th October 2005, 11:16

Definitely. I thought that whole incident was over way too fast and needed more detail. I suppose he must have thought we'd had enough description of her earlier when the forsaken all met up , and in some ways i suppose i liked the slower pace, but i also want this series to finish at some point, so it had to be done :)

Aviendha2

13th October 2005, 20:52

You have to wait till Paperback that is like 3 month's you know that right?

HAHAHA
Stop laughing. And I know that it takes that long for the book to come out in paperback. *sniff* It's really annoying.

4th Dimension

14th October 2005, 17:35

I have to vait for na e-format of the book. Buhahhahahahahahah :(

Aviendha2

14th October 2005, 18:48

Really? I hate waiting... for anything.

VerBATum

14th October 2005, 23:17

FUCK! it Came out already??? some of a whore! I hate it when army life jump-starts and you end up missing the important crap.

Tenaka

15th October 2005, 00:33

NOTE: Writing in white does not make text invisible on some styles.

USE SPOILER TAGS!

Aviendha2

15th October 2005, 13:25

FUCK! it Came out already??? some of a whore! I hate it when army life jump-starts and you end up missing the important crap.
I too hate it when you're doing something, and the thing that you're waiting for comes out without you even knowing it.

4th Dimension

17th October 2005, 18:07

My Precious. Finaly mine. Okay. I got the book last night in some stupid txt format but I have the book, yeah.

Aviendha2

17th October 2005, 18:25

Lucky you. And stop rubbing it in... unconsciously... please...

squall

18th October 2005, 10:14

I just finished the book myself about twenty minutes ago. (I bought the book yesterday, read roughly half of it then, and finished it off today)

While I enjoyed the book, does anyone else feel like Jordan...wrote at breakneck speed? I dunno, I feel like it didn't have his usual thouroughness. Of course, some parts were very detailed, but it just seemed to be...brisk. Down to buisness.

Call me crazy (but not Shirley, NEVER Shirley), and fortune prick me, but it seemed that way.

i'm guessing he did it for a reason. that reason being, that there have been so many readers complaining about the other books hardly having any action, and the story being drawn out too long, and pretty much demanding that they end with book 12. whether or not that will happen i kinda still doubt, however...i remember him saying in an interview that he was going to do his best to try to get it wrapped up. now sure, there's a happy medium in there somewhere between thoroughness and moving along quickly...he was being too thorough to some people...and he sped up the action...some people will be pleased, and others will be disappointed. yet, that's the nature of things. however, i'm only on page 400 or so...so maybe it gets really breakneck and far over the top soon and i'll feel like a woolhead.