Wheel of Time Movie

[Jean]

Dark Horizons is reporting this from Variety (http://www.variety.com/index.asp?layout=upsell_article&articleID=VR1117901605&cs=1):


"Red Eagle Entertainment has optioned worldwide feature rights to Robert Jordan's 11-book series "The Wheel of Time." Deal includes all ancillary rights.
Red Eagle will initially work to produce an adaptation of the first novel, "The Eye of the World." Once that's achieved, adaptations of the others will follow.

"Eye of the World" begins when villagers of Emond's Field are attacked by minions of a force known as Dark One, forcing three young men to confront their destiny and begin a quest.

Red Eagle will not produce programming itself but will seek a production partner and focus on the ancillary licensing of branded products and services.

"In order to meet the high expectations of the millions of devoted Robert Jordan fans around the world, we intend to make careful choices regarding the development and management of the first installment," said Red Eagle president Rick Selvage.

Jordan's most recent installment was prequel "The New Spring," which bowed at No. 1 on the New York Times bestseller list. Jordan is expected to pen at least two more full-length novels to complete the series, along with two additional prequels.

Since 1990, more than 15 million books have been sold to readers in North America alone and the series has been published in 24 languages.

Headed by Selvage, former president of global media for IBM, the Malibu-based Red Eagle specializes in licensing and brand management of entertainment properties."

[lan sam]

At long last, we might graced by something other than books!

[Danie Dell]

Man I hope they don't screw it up. It will probably be like an independent film. Not even in theaters. But I'll still watch em!

[scottgcau]

They will never make anything. Or at least nothing any good anyway. If you think about it, it would be just too difficult to do. You can't just make trollocs with make up, they are too big, they would have to be CG. How do you visually represent the use of the power? All dream sequences would be very CG intensive. The cast of characters is too large. All the major cities that are visited would have to be built in CG.

That's without even addressing the issue of cutting the huge books into movie length(even LOTR length) scripts. The cast of characters is too large. Who would get cut out? Etc.

[Amelia Sedai]

You can prolly cut out alot of the subcharacters stories. Also RJ is very descriptive in his books so you can cut all that out cause we can see the color-slashed silk dresses and Nyneave sniffing, tugging her braid and crossing her arms under her bosom. We can also learn what a well turned calf looks like too! :D

[GWINNA]

I think they should scrap a Wheel of time movie and make "Wotism: The movie" The story of a message board lost and refound and all the trials and tribulations of it. Of course I'd be the only person to play themselves and I'd get ten million to do it...

[Darius Sei'taer]

My butt will get ten million

[Danie Dell]

We can also learn what a well turned calf looks like too! :D

I can't wait to see Rands calves. *drools*

[GWINNA]

I can't wait to see Rands calves. *drools*
All I know is that by the time they get out of the Two Rivers I will have seen enough arms crossed under breasts to throw a party! :1party:

[Amelia Sedai]

and dont forget the sniffing!

[GWINNA]

and dont forget the sniffing!
yeah but on one had we have sniffing, on the other we have large breast in the center of the camera angle...which one do you think will give me more jollies? :devil:

[Amelia Sedai]

I vote for the well turned calves! :D

[Danie Dell]

Heck, well turned calves, arms under breasts, braid pulling. It all sounds like a good time in the Two Rivers tonight! :D

[Theoban]

and dont forget the sniffing!

oh man, it's gonna be like every woman has a cold.

[Amelia Sedai]

well the first movies doesnt have alot of sniffing and arms under breasts. I do know that Galad has nice turned calves and he is in the first book, briefly but long enough to take a look! ;)

[Harun]

I should play any character with well-turned calves, because my calves rock.

[Sajhe]

i whanna see min. she is my love. :P

[Amelia Sedai]

I should play any character with well-turned calves, because my calves rock.

:blush: LOL

[Bloodywon]

If they can attract the likes of Peter Jackson from LOR series. The movies will be ok. It would be a shame to see it butchered.

:kill:

[Alexandra]

I wish there were some way they could actually make movies worthy of the name WOT, but I can't see any way they'd be able to manage it....

[Amelia Sedai]

I read somewhere that RJ doesnt want a movie but wouldnt mind seeing a mini-series of the Eye of the World. That sounds doable but I doubt if they will or if they did Im sure people would not be happy with it.

[KA3AK]

I guess I mini-series can be made out of the tEotW and tGH, but then the series just gets too complex from TV. A single movies would never work.

[Vashna]

I read somewhere that RJ doesnt want a movie but wouldnt mind seeing a mini-series of the Eye of the World. That sounds doable but I doubt if they will or if they did Im sure people would not be happy with it.
If they did make a mini series of tEotW, (which is quite possible) it would probably not be part of a series of serie (does that make sense) for each book. tEotW is a contained book, it has an ending which can be taken as the actual victory of Rand.

What I am saying is that if it was made it would probably be done in such a way that a contiuation was unlikely.

[foldingport]

Making these books into movies a bad idea, it is impossible to do them justice.
Why? Let us look at the lord of the rings. Each Wot volume is roughly the same length as the lord of the rings and that required three films and and a making time of about five years. On that simple basis we need fifty years to make what jordan has written so far into decent films. That is presuming that there is enough demand to make a film company invest enough money to even produce one volume. Even though we all love the wot, lets face it, its popularity does not compare with the lord of the rings.

If a film is to be made of jordans work, the only workable ideas i see is either to make new spring into a film, or to do an animation of the series, cheaper and scaled down in comlexity. This would need jordan to come in as a script writer though, and i think we would all prefer to see him working on the next volume in the series!

[Tarwin Gable]

I hope they dont mess them up cause that could ruin the series, although LOTR was done very well and did not ruin anything.

[Travis]

i say....
it doesnt cost us ANYTHING,
so be it good or bad, its more than what we had.
roll with the punches.

[Eolyn]

Ok so I'm new here but I have to say that the prospect of a wot movie may be very exciting but unrealistic, and anybody who would be considering it has either never read the books or is just desperate for a hit like lotr...or just plain stupid.

[Belle]

(Kiri is dumb, but not stupid) Dj, my mom, and I were discussing the issue of how to condense the a story like this into something as small as a trilogy and came up with the fact that a lot of the writing in the books is either describing the scene/setting which would be taken care of by effects, or is pertaining to physical action a character is doing at the time (I.E. smoothing a dress, sniffing at men, pulling a braid, crossing the arms underneath the breasts). We were also sure that after a few times, we could do away with certain thoughts like the guys always wishing the other guys were there because they'd know what to do about woman problems......

I believe it could be done. I may be a blonde, but with more intelligent people like myself who are even more so than I, it could be done....now finding the cast would be the hardest part I think, but that's for another thread.....

[Amelia Sedai]

now finding the cast would be the hardest part I think, but that's for another thread.....

actually there are about a million and two devoted to the subject.

[False_Dragon]

a million and two what?

[Jennifer]

Umm...threads? ~doesn't know if FD is serious or not~ :p

[superfreak]

id like to see that girl in the commercial with the awesome hair play elaine.

[False_Dragon]

The way i figure it, is that it is most definately possible to create a series on the whole book continuation.

Look at sci-fi shows such as Stargate which is currently on it's 8th series. The quality has remained throughout.

Also, a lot of the later books can be compressed as a lot of it is drawn out, easily.

Lastly, if Jordan hadn't insisted that he'd continue the series after book 3, and remained it a trilogy it would most likely already be made into movies, rivalling LotR. Maybe.

[Belle]

id like to see that girl in the commercial with the awesome hair play elaine.


What chick with awesome hair. Maybe there are a million and two of those.....

[superfreak]

I was trying to be silly with that. Just like that guy with the moustache and the dark hair should play Lan.

:lol:

[Belle]

Silly goose. THAT narrows it down.....

['Skis]

I used to like posting in the "actors who should play wot characters" thread. But it died. =__=

[Mazrim_Taim]

I think Adrian Brody would make a killer Padan Fain, but I doubt the movie would be able to get an all start cast like that. Still, his hooked nose and his ability to play a scrawny character which a lot has happened to him (i.e. The Pianist) would make him perfect for the role.

[Jean]

I used to like posting in the "actors who should play wot characters" thread. But it died. =__=

It's not dead, it just got lost. lol

Actors who remind you of WoT characters (http://www.wotism.net/forums/showthread.php?t=5304)

There are a couple of others threads like that one:

Dream Cast (http://www.wotism.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3710)

Wheel of Time the movie (http://www.wotism.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3831)

:cheers:

[Enariom]

Jean is like a good fairy... She doesn't post/spam (;)) that much. She just pops in sometimes to help out :p

We're forever grateful :D

[Jean]

Jean is like a good fairy... She doesn't post/spam (;)) that much. She just pops in sometimes to help out :p

We're forever grateful :D

hehe :blush: Part of that is because I come here, start checking new posts, do admin/mod stuff then have to get up to do something. By the time I get back I forget exactly which threads I wanted to reply to. :type:

[Sidney]

I'm sorry, but I just have to tell people that Stargate: SG1 is of very poor quality. This also goes for Stargate: Atlantis...
I recommend Farscape! There's a show for ya!
Great scripts, witty dialouge, great actors playing characters with actual archs!!!
And most important of all: No reset button! The characters change after something drastic has happened to them!
If WoT would ever be shot, I hope it's done in Farscape style. Huge budgets and a wreckless writer!

[Belle]

Well, I don't agree with the SG1 thing, but I like the big budget idea! I think they should get someone like Speilberg, or Mel Gibson to direct.....

[Mazrim_Taim]

well, definitely not Mel Gibson; I don't think he's very good at creating big series. I wouldn't mind someone like Peter Jackson doing it, though...Well, not him, cause he's already done a big fantasy series, but someone with equal scope and vision

[Belle]

I think the people that did LOTR should also work on WoT, LOTR was pretty well done, and I wouldn't mind seeing something that big come out of the WoT movie.....

[Mazrim_Taim]

Well, I think Wheel of Time needs a slightly different direction than the LotR movies, and the scale of WoT dwarfs Tolien by a lot. I've wondered if they could make an epic anime out of Wheel of Time. It would be cool to see the characters come to life somewhat, although I wouldn't want the whole thing to be Japanimated, still, I think that's easier to pull off than a live action flim series. Not to mention less expensive.

[Belle]

Yeah, but I'd still like to see it in live action...

[rhemal]

Hmm.. the way I figure it, they really should make a movie. you know, it wouldnt hurt anyone, and the books are still there. I didnt think the LOTR movies were all that good, but it was nice to see Peter Jackson's interpretation anyway..

[Mazrim_Taim]

If you had looked into how comlicated making everthing was, and how much detail they actually paid attention to, you'd think higher of PJ's rendition. Yes, there were changes, but: those changes were to make it a better movie, for things to "make sense" to audiences. Granted, some of those didn't make sense to me, like the whole creepy feel of Lothlorien, or how Eomer was supposedly 300 leagues off in the middle of nowhere before Helm's Deep (well, a league is three miles, right? then Eomer was 900 miles from where Theoden was, and couldn't have possibly reached him in five days, but I suppose that was Theo venting...) Yeah, nm, there are a few complete nonsensical additions to the plot, but the reason that they give is logical enough (like Faramir being an obstacle in TTT; I actually agree with that decision) Eh, a paradox, indeed.
Anyway, if anyone wants to talk to me about LotR, get me on IM, cause this is about WoT. Sorry about being off-topic myself.

If anyone's knowledgeable about directors, who at the moment would make a suitable director for a WoT movie?

[rhemal]

well I would say I have looked into how complicated everything was. That still doesnt have to make me love the movies. I dont consider talking about LOTR here is off-topic as its crucial for the discussion of a WoT movie, many of the same things would have to be considered in the making of WoT. The reason I didnt like the LOTR is because all of the changes. The historical errors, the people who died that shouldnt have, the people who where at the wrong place at the wrong time. The goofy look on some of the characters. Now I've read about everything that tolkien have written, examined every detail of that world, and therefore all the errors was painful for me to watch, when I look at the movie and know that didnt happen at all, Its just makes the rest less credible aswell. Still, I did enjoy watching it all come to life in a motion picture, and that is my argument for making a WoT movie too. I dont think it will be harder for anyone to make the WoT movie, but as in LOTR, much information would have to be cut out. The length of the movie could also maybe have to be atleast as long as the LOTR only counting in the first three books.

[Mazrim_Taim]

Oh, well nm my post then. I just like to look at the changes in movies from the books in a positive light, and if someone were to write a screenplay exactly like the book, then almost everyone would be extremely bored, it would be too long, and it would just suck as a movie overall. Like, when I read WoT, I immediately think of ways to compress it; make it better(well, for a movie playing out in front of my eyes, and just so I can understand it better), and focus more on the main characters and the feel of the world itself. We need someone with a vision as to how the book would be accurately interpreted onscreen, and someone who has an equal fervor to be loyal to the books to put as much as they could of the book into the movie so that it is a similar being to the books. I just think that this will take a while for a movie to develop, and it should, cause I don't want to wait only a few years to have some terrible rendition of WoT burning my eyes. I just wish I could somehow be involved with the making of that movie...Is there any more news about it that anyone's heard of?

[rhemal]

Absolutely! I totally agree. I think its important if dedicated WoT fans show interest to join the production, so that RJ's world doesnt get too tainted :D If you see anymore news, kindly pm me a link or post it here

[Mazrim_Taim]

I did look, and I didn't really find anything ~sighs with regret~ All that's happened is that Red Eagle has "optioned" for the film rights. Seems they eant to make an epic fantasy to stay on par with Warner Bros. And New Line (HP and LotR). Well, it'll probably be at least 4 years before we see a real movie on our hands, here. They'll probably film it in some far off location, though; like NZ or China (hey! why not?) or some wilderness stuff places. Although they'll do a lot of studio work, Im sure, and a lot of those inns and towns that everyone goes through can be easily reused again and again. Yeah, and they'd need one killer special effects team, for just about everything. So, if they manage to get the funds and the brains for it, I'm all for it! But I doubt it will go to fruition yet, there are just so many things that could go wrong! It would be nice if they waited a while till some more fantasy series came up, and then learned from those mistakes, and then produce the killer WoT movie we are drooling to see.

[fizban]

am i the only one that has noticed a problem here?

even if they only did one book a a time, the movie would STILL last al least 9 hours!

who could sit still that long even if you are watching Rand kick some serious Shadow ass?!?

[Mazrim_Taim]

Well, they could do each book in two to three volumes, and as long as the budget was big enough, I wouldn't mind it being a miniseries or something. Alas, Blockbusters were not meant to be 9 hours long, so if they make an adaptation, it would probably be three hours max and leave a lot of book stuff out. Or combine stuff that happens. Like instead of Rand and Mat going through half a dozen villages or so before getting to Caemlyn, one could combine most of the big action (i.e. the darkfriends encounters) into one or two villages. And Else Grinwell isn't really that important of a character, so drop her...and they've got to emphasize Min's importance to the story a little more, since that builds up later in the series, although if they want to just keep it to one movie as an "experiment" (shudders at this thought) they could kick her out, too. These are just examples of my mind working on this. I mean, these changes would probably have me and you and many other book fans frothing at the mouth in fury, but it has to be compressed and exciting (and not super complicated, although people thought LotR was complicated, and this will be more so the more loyal they stay to the books) in order to work at getting a hefty profit from the huge costs that such a production would take. Sacrifices are made, either way, and I'd prefer to have a big budget blockbuster with a bunch of holes and changes than a crappy, underbudget, bad actor tv version. But that's just my thoughts on this, and I've probably already said something to that point in this thread already. Obviousman is shutting up.

[rhemal]

am i the only one that has noticed a problem here?

even if they only did one book a a time, the movie would STILL last al least 9 hours!

who could sit still that long even if you are watching Rand kick some serious Shadow ass?!?9hours? we have to remember that much space in the book is used for illustrating enviroment, which a movie can do with a simple image. I dont think it has to be that long, some scenes would have to be cut. But guess a movie is not a book, there are different things that define a good book and what defines a good movie. I just hope to see somebody try :D cant please 'em all anyway

[Outcast Hero]

I don't know who Peter Jackson is!:( But, movies about GOOD STUFF is nice, unlike those spin-offs! *runs off to OH's room*

[Moridin87]

The entire essence of the WOT books is that it provide so much detail (if not too much at times) and if u wanna can one book into a three hour movie it would not live up to the books, paralleling any other movie-book adaptation. If the movie were any longer than three hours for one book people, including die hard fans, would either be shitting themselves due to the longevity or experiencing the symptoms or dvt. Stick to the books. Some people get put off after watching a bad adaptation.
Also there is just too much work involved in a WOT project. It would be near impossible to accomplish a movie on the any book without compromising its quality. A mini-series (as suggested previously) is not entirely out of the question however...

[Mazrim_Taim]

Yeah, but mini-series doesn't have the resources that a blockbuster bound movie has, so the effects would be ok at best, the actors would not have good reputations, and the director would probably focus on the close talking scenes rather than the huge scale look, because they have a more limited budget and just really have limitations to make the books seem grand. I think the Dune mini-series is a good illustration of this: decent movie, but very pathetic as far as effects and the large scale feel. At best it would be a watered down soup opera (although WoT already kind of is a soap opera, so this might not be so bad!). I think that would do a great job with the women characters, because they do all of that talking and scheming stuff, but this will detract from the main heroes of the thing, and the excitement of he epic warfare. Still, I'd like an adaptation either way, and a movie in the theatres also has its limitations as well(length, amount of detail and complexity, having to combine things and cut things to keep length down and attempt to keep the "esence" of the films, etc.). So bring it on whatever Red Eagle wants to do with the thing, and we'll judge for ourselves if it is good enough for us. Although many people this will not be so, but you can't have everyone happy.

[morat'to'raken]

I think a movie would be great. There's alot of stuff they could cut out. Like is Rand unloading a cart that important? And neither is Rand running by trollocs again, and again, and again, and again, in a repeating scene. And now they're dividing the books up. The eye of the world is now from the two rivers and into the blight. so divide 1000 by two, then cut the meaningless crap (sorry), and that leaves you with about a three-three and a half hour movie. They would still need a helluva budget, though, considering there would be twenty-four movies then :eek5:



edit:sry, forgot about CoT, twenty-two movies :D

[Mazrim_Taim]

Yeah! It would be cool if they made movies out of the cut versions! It might not work so well plot wise, but there will be less information to digest, at least. Eh, I just wish I could hear some more news about what they're going to do about the movie! I wish they would get started already!

[morat'to'raken]

yeah!! er......... damnit!!

[Panty]

That's not fair, I was writing a screenplay. :grumbles:
Well it could flop, and when it does, I'll be in their like a horse. A very fast horse...

['Skis]

The only way to make the movies would be in ultra-cool CGI. Anything else would be ruined.

[Mazrim_Taim]

yeah, that might work. And I deem a live action one impossible. And a cartoon, well...old style's dead, most of cartoons are aimed at kids, so it would be screwed with there. I was thinking an anime series of the Wheel of Time would also work.
And if a good director somehow gets the money to make a cool cgi one, that would be really lucky, cause that would cost loads. And it's less well known as a book series, than, say, the Lord of the Rings, so a decent gain from that is tricky. And the lord of the rings is a result when they're lucky. Like, lotr was in some ways a miracle at how good they made it. I know many would not agree with me, but if you look at all the time and detail and effort and technical difficulties that were with the films, you'd have to give them a hand at being able to put it together at all.
Now, before I get blasted for trying to compare Tolkien and RJ for movies, I'm just comparing them as to their genre, and as the LotR as a successful (IMO, definitely successdul as far as money, and you'd need to be semi-sure of a good potential of income before launching into the later things of the project (i.e. actually filming it).
But say, in 10-20 years, a lot of epic fantasy movies will have been made, effects will be a lot better than they are now, and Wheel of Time will be considered to make a movie. But yeah, we know successes, but realisticly, I think that such a project will flop.
And as far as a mini-series, I'm for any adaptation, but if anyone saw the Legend of Earthsea, which I thought was vaguely interesting but had a very stupid screenwrite and very quaint small scale visual/special effects. So that is a mini series that we Don't want our precious WoT to turn out to.
Ok, so I've already talked about this, but saying it again just in case...

[Belle]

Crispin Freeman would HAVE to play Rand! He can go mad so nicely. And don't forget David Moo, he could play Padan Fain excellently...(realizes no one else know the people she's talking about) These are people that are found doing a lot of English Dubbed Anime's. Crispin Freeman play Hideki off of Chobits, Zelgadis off of Slayers, Pegasus off of Yugioh, and many more. David Moo plays Xellos in Slayers. Lisa Ortiz is also very common. She's played in Slayer as Lina Linverse, Yugioh as Serenity, and many more.

End rambling of anime voices now.

[Ancelot]

i am more of the sceptical person, but it could be good as long they dont do enything wild that will ruin it all. i doubt they will but, a man is allowed to consider the fact that they will do something to make it more exiting with doing something that had nothing do do about the books at all

[aan'allein]

Hmmmm....
At first thought the notion of a WOT movie gives me goosebumps. And it's funny, 'cuz yesterday I found myself casting the characters for the WOT in my head. Jake Gyllenhal (SP?) would be a perfect Rand, tall and lanky, but he'd have to dye his hair a little. Brad Pitt could hit Lan on the nose. And I wouldn't mind seeing Angelina Jolie parading around in Berelain's clothes...

But I don't honestly think that a movie could do the series justice, and I completely disagree with whoever it was that said you could take the end of the Eye of the World as a victory for Rand. If someone (let's pretend their complete idiots and their lives have not been blessed by WOT) pays attention to the movie a lick, they'll know that Aginor and Balthemel are not the big bads. There are thirteen, not two, forsaken, and there's that hint of a threat from this guy they call Ba'alzamon...

BTW- KA3Ak, I love your avatar! Stewie rocks!

Anyway, someone was talking about the vast cast of characters that would have to be played and all the different settings in cities and such. I don't think the Trollocs would be much of an obstacle, though. If they can make Orcs for LOTR, I don't think Trollocs are too much taller.

It would be interesting, as many suggested, to see a tEotW mini series. That may be the best way to go. At any rate, I'll at least give the movie a try if it comes out.

[Mazrim_Taim]

The problem with a mini series is that the special effects would suck. Well, compared with what they'd be able to budget in a movie. The acting and spoken stuff would be drawn out more, so there's an advantage with that, and yes the Eye of the World can be made into a good series. And I think that a very good movie could be made if they give enough time for a really good screeplay, whatever changes they feel they must make, and a very dedicated director who's at least very knowledgeable about the series, if not particularly loyal. But if they rush it, it's gonna suck. and it was a bit of a stroke of luck that Lotr turned out as good as it did (whether you like it or not cause of their changes to stuff. I'm still saying that so much effort went into making that movie, and all 3 movies were extrememely well made, if not preferred by those book purists out there).
But yeah, I have something against book purism, it's just they seem to take for granted a movie is made at all, and if it's a good movie, and they still complain all the time about it, it gets annoying. I look forward to any movies that Red Eagle may give us, and I'll appreciate whatever effort is made into making a movie. Even if I can't stand the changes, I'll still probably like the movie.
Anyway...I've probably said this all before in this thread tons of times, and I don't mean to actually cause an arguement with anyone, just wanted to restate my opinion.

[aan'allein]

Yeah, I guess I didn't even cosider that. But still, there is not a terrible amount of channeling in The Eye of the World, except for at the end, so no great need for special effects.

[Shawn1141]

You also have to think how long it will be. I read the lotr books and I though that there was no way they could make a movie because it would just be too long, well WOT has more stuff in it that they can't cut out, especially if they are looking for a sequel(if it does good) cause it would make no sense. They would have to start with Lews Therin breaking the world and have to explain that in some way because, face it, most people are dumb and wouldn't understand. That's why the matrix was such a miracle.

[4th Dimension]

Yeah but half ot text in Wot are descriptions. What someone veares, how someone looks, what he does ect. And on and on like that.

[nazgulboy]

hmm, well, the whole part bout the breaking of the world they could prob sum up in like 5 minutes like they did the creation of the ring and the 1st war of the ring in the LOTR movies

[4th Dimension]

Yeah. The scenes that matter are the traping within the seal, and then to show that all male AS went crasy (earthquaqes all aver the screen that shows SG rising, and than they swich to prologue of tEotW). The rest of history should be covered as it is explained in books. EG. Moraine speaks abouth something(Trolos Wars, AH are the most important), and scene switches to that part of history as moraine as narator.

[Shawn1141]

That would work, have her telling it to some one or something I thin would be better. I don't like too much naration in a movie.

[aan'allein]

If you have a brain (true, many of us don't) you won't need to be explained to in the beginning about the Breaking. RJ introduces it slowly throughout bk 1 and by the end of it you pretty much know what happened. And as for 4D's comments, totally true. If you took out all the idle talk about what the character is feeling and seeing and thinking, you've likely got less than two thirds of a WoT book left.

[Shawn1141]

But then you wouldn't know what the character was felling/ seeing/ thinking. It would all be action.

Great idea

[4th Dimension]

But lot of seeing thinking is repeated again and again.

But yes. Lot of story does happen in peoples toughts.

I know that Breaking should be explained. And it is not hard to explain.

[Mazrim_Taim]

Yeah.
"once the world was broken up by male channelers made insane by the Dark One's Taint. That's the breaking"
that's really all one needs to say about that...
other than the whole Lews Therin thing. But yeah.

[aan'allein]

The only thoughts that would be necessary would be the conversations between Rand and Lews Therin. Other than that: all the descriptions RJ makes would be visible as soon as you flash to the scene, and usually when the character is feeling something (i.e.- Egwene's headaches in CoS) they're doing something to show it (like constantly holding their temples). So yeah, it wouldn't be as long as people might think.

[Shawn1141]

I've been going through the books again and I realized that if they were to make a movie of each book they would have to rate some of the R. Some scenes are almost soft core porn.

[aan'allein]

I've been going through the books again and I realized that if they were to make a movie of each book they would have to rate some of the R. Some scenes are almost soft core porn.

Fires of Heaven I believe it was when Rand and Aviendha... became friends. :blush:

[Shawn1141]

yeah and the first quarter of the book everyone is naked

[4th Dimension]

Yes there are realy lot of scenes of naked women. Expecialy with Aiel.
The RJ realy has something about naked women, you know, naked women runnung, naked women discusing important political situations ect.
In Sweat Tents they are also totaly nude and a huge chunk of stor happens there. But it wouldn't hurt story if they wore something in those scenes when it's not important.

[Mazrim_Taim]

Or they could do some film tricks where you see their faces (or other parts, but mostly faces I would hope) instead of their whole bodies. so the nudity wouldn't be as emphasized. Or they could cheat and make them wear some clothing. (Shrugs)
as long as the parts of the story are told right, I wouldn't complain.

[ellisande]

What I would give to be part of the movie T-T

[4th Dimension]

And who would you want to play (if I understood your post well).

[ellisande]

I want to be Faile ^^ ... if you got the chance to be in it too, who would you be?

[Thar]

I would like to be Logain.

[Mazrim_Taim]

I would like to be some random soldier or andoran. Or maybe Sammael, but I don't cut that much of a fierce pose I don't think...But yeah...there aren't enough short blonde people in Wheel of Time...they all have other features...(mumble mumble)

[4th Dimension]

All knowing everywhere when you least expected poping out kind of man. But since we don't have any any sort of characters like that.

[Dragon Man]

Hmm, well being Rand would be nice (and completely awesome) but I could settle for some other male channeler, seeing as I'm already insane.

[Shawn1141]

I think the best part would be Thom Merrilan

[Tatum]

I've already told RJ that I'm playing Nyn.....no really. I met him at a book signing and I said "you know, when EOTW gets made into a movie, I will be playing the part of Nyn." He looked at me, smiled and said "really? Okay" So see, RJ has already given his thumbs up. :D

[ellisande]

I've already told RJ that I'm playing Nyn.....no really. I met him at a book signing and I said "you know, when EOTW gets made into a movie, I will be playing the part of Nyn." He looked at me, smiled and said "really? Okay" So see, RJ has already given his thumbs up. :D

Oh really?? That's heapss cool..huahua.. lucky youu :p

[tequila]

Any guy should wana be Mat i know i do. The girls love him and think his cute, his the best fighter, his a smartass. All that combined makes him my mentor and me perfect to play him.

[Orange Juice]

even though we all hope it will be as good as the we hope, but there's just stuff in the books that would really hard to put on the big screen. not even the great directors like Stephen Speilburg or Peter Jackson could make an exceptable film about it. too long, too complex. i don't think it will be that great...

[ellisande]

we're all hoping for the best, I for one, hope that the cast that they'll use for the movie won't disrupt my imagination of them...

[4th Dimension]

If you plan for the worst, all surprises are pleasant.

[aan'allein]

we're all hoping for the best, I for one, hope that the cast that they'll use for the movie won't disrupt my imagination of them...

*nods*

Yeah, it seems most movie-makers haven't even read the books they plan to make into a movie. For instance- ran will probably be played by a midget with black hair and Nynaeve will be bald. :D :D Well, let's hope not...

[4th Dimension]

Not to mention thousands of idiots that liked the movie and didn't like the books coming here to theories and poluting it with their posts based on movie and not on books.
Not to mention stupid interpretations of books in movie such as Aiel wearing swords (because costime designer only saw covers of KOD of entire lot of fan art which is b contrast usualy great).
Leanfer looking like this: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Blazo4D/lanfear.jpg

[ellisande]

Not to mention thousands of idiots that liked the movie and didn't like the books coming here to theories and poluting it with their posts based on movie and not on books.
Not to mention stupid interpretations of books in movie such as Aiel wearing swords (because costime designer only saw covers of KOD of entire lot of fan art which is b contrast usualy great).
Leanfer looking like this: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Blazo4D/lanfear.jpg

*nods* I completely agree

[Aragorn]

Not to mention thousands of idiots that liked the movie and didn't like the books coming here to theories and poluting it with their posts based on movie and not on books.


Yep. I saw it happen on Tolkien boards. Bastards.

[4th Dimension]

I saw it also, thats why I was saying that. And the worst is when your friends or people you know start talking about movie you can't convince them that movie is 50% of book and some of best scenes are not in it. Not to mention, putting in the movie scenes that are not found in the books and totaly screwing up the story line.

[Artamishia]

You know, that is one of the worst things ... in the LoTR movies, when the birds come in ... the movie gives no warnings, just suddenly "Hey the birds made it!" ... were we expecting them? No... gotta go back and read the book to find out why ....

Sort of like what could happen in the WoT movie ... Hey, the Seanchen are here.. they've taken half the continent .. were we prepped for that? No .... We completely missed the hows and the prophesies behind it...

Ok, sorry, mini - vent but movies are generally very very poor when based off of books, especially the complex ones.

However .. if we really could just meet RJ at a book signing and pick a character to be, I wanna be Cadsuane. Can't cut her out, and I really want to wear the fish and birds in my hair :toussel:

[Dragon Man]

Look at it this way, if the movie sucks, we can easily unite the wotist army and take over, and remake it, and make it good!

[Felix]

long live the Wotist Army!!

*wishes he was smart enough to be in it...*

[Artamishia]

The smart ones let the rest do the fighting... then hang back to take the spoils.. mwuah ha ha...

[mattimeo]

I have been asked to be Mat Cauthon

[Artamishia]

Who asked you?

[tequila]

Yeah who did i had hopes for that role

[night_belle]

If not a live action movie, an anime movie, is the only way I see this movie happening at all. I want a live action move but the characters will get really old because they will take a year to make each movie and that will take 12 years and Rand, Mat and Perrin only aged like 4 years through the whole book series. They'll have to keep changing the actors and that sux!

[nae'bliss]

but to make a live action movie would be almost impossible
for example how could they portray the whole Heightened sense when there filled with the power?
i think annimation would be the only road to go but im still not happy books to movies never work out IMO.

[ellisande]

It will not be almost impossible...it will be impossible!! Too hard...but I bet some idiots still try to make a live action one...:D

[Tidus]

Hmm i saw a site one second.....Ahh here, read through it if you want, bit old though.

http://www.countingdown.com/movies/2967260

[DavidG]

but to make a live action movie would be almost impossible
for example how could they portray the whole Heightened sense when there filled with the power?Ever turned up the colour/saturation/whatever on your TV? That's how I imagine it looking.

[Zzbrynia]

A Final Fantasy style movie would be awesome as far as I'm concerned....

[night_belle]

A Final Fantasy style movie would be awesome as far as I'm concerned....

I totally agree with you. That would look really dred.:D

[Thom Merrilin]

Ya it would be pretty cool to do it like that.

[cynewolfe]

I'd endorse the WoT move with my seven dollars. However, it'd be best if they only made the Wheel of Time and stopped there instead of all eight million books. The productiont time involved for each movie would interfere with movie continuity; Dumbledor in Harry Potter, for instance. The original actor died before the third movie and they had to find a replacement. There was talk for a bit that Daniel Radcliffe would have to be replaced because he was maturing too quickly and they wanted a fresh-faced fourteen year old boy to play a fresh-faced fourteen year old boy. Imagine the sort of problems youd have with remaking thirteen novels into a movie. Quality would obviously go down over time - Blade I was OK, II + III were just barfers. Or take a look at Disney sequels - the same production effort that made Alladin a success didn't go into the sequels. Either crews get burnt out or second-hand losers come in and make a half-baked product.

No, it'd be best to keep it down to one movie, or maybe three (which would require terrible summarization and hair-rending). As someone said before, the Eye of the World had a definite ending but obviously was open for sequels and plot gaps. Joe Q. Public would walk out of the theatre obviously baffled because the movie had just ended with the death of one badguy and twelve more remain, not to mention Rand didn't even bother addressing the Dark One himself. If they addressed the Dark One in a single movie, it wouldnt be Wheel of Time in fact, only Wheel of Time in nature with familiar plot elements and themes but not the over-arching plotline.

Itd be a hard thing to do and a lot of people would be unhappy, RJ included, but it could be done. I just dont know what RJ would be willing to scrap. Would the public be willing to wait for thirteen movies over the course of twenty years? Probably not.

[*RandAl'Thor*]

They would have to make any series of movies like Lord of the Rings where they film all they are going to film at once and then cut it up into movies afterward.

[UR_VILE_WEDGE]

It would still take decades to make, and they would run out of money long before they actually released anything.....

[*RandAl'Thor*]

Well what they could do is make lets say 3 books at a time.
Eye of the World, The Great Hunt, & The Dragon Reborn. Use all the same actors. Wait make 3 more, etc. That way if the actors died or whatever it would be less jarring. Also several of the characters change in appearance becoming bulkier taller, etc. No one really old is a main character, so makeup on younger people might get around the longevity factor. They should just make it into a television series. It can run a lot longer and in addition to that many parts seem almost to be similiar to Television episodes.

If they would cut out the side stories and some of the endless descriptions of dresses etc. I think they could do it a lot faster. Robert Jordan's books are very descriptive. "A picture is worth a Thousand words." It would most likely in Robert Jordan's case be a 10000 - 1 ratio.

[Al'Thor]

I was thinking about this. I worry that if made into a movie, a lot would be lost.

I hate to make this comparison but think of Harry Potter. They need someone young to begin with, and this person needs to grow into the Rand Al'Thor we know. Same for Perrin and Matt. Another comparison could be made here. Star Wars Episode I, jumping to star wars Episode II, where Anakin jumped from a kid to a teenager.

Both of these series have made megabucks at the box office. Would Wheel of Time have the same following?

Even a television series would be difficult, but I think this more a possibility.

[Tamuril]

They would need the WETA team for effects. If the effects don't look as perfect as LoTR then the movie will be lost.

[Mazrim_Taim]

there are other companies than WETA that do good special effects, and Lord of the Rings was the main engine for WETA to become the well known special effects co. that it is now.
There may be other rising groups in time, though WETA's emphasis on cultures and movie props and making everything "real" for the actors as possible can only help. Understand though, that no special effects team is going to be perfect, or completely realistic, and there will probably be dissapointments as to the interpretation of the use of the One Power ("hey! that's not what I imagined it to be like...?!" etc)
I would like to have some say in the fighting choreography though...I don't want it all to be flashy crap from Asian Martial Arts movies such as Hero or hollywood bullshit of how sword fighting works. I mean you do have to have many compromises because of the safety of the actors, I understand that, and audiences want to be entertained by a good "hard, long" fight, not shocked by a couple of seconds of struggle and then someone dying (though Rand doesn't have any intense duels with swords in the first one, just encounters with shadowspawn and the like, so the realistic mentality could work easily for almost all sword choreography, excepting those memorable duels, which would probably be done in slow motion for the audience to see what's happening(like the duel with Turath))
In fact I'd love to work with a stunt team one of these days so I could get into that stuff (and actually be involved in one of these movies)...oh if only I had time...

[UR_VILE_WEDGE]

Or what about the power sword duel with Bel'a', that would be cool.... :D

[Mazrim_Taim]

that's if they even get into the third book, though if they want to do some of the series and not all of it, I think the Dragon Reborn would be a good place to stop, since it sets Rand up as thus.
Since it rapidly becomes a series of alternating viewpoints happening at different times (a more complicated version of Lotr even since that has only two viewpoints, and the first book of WoT has several), it will be Very difficult to figure those out into a film that keeps people interested and not completely confused. So there might be a significant difference on where one film ends as opposed to how the book ends (at least certainly in the later books after the Dragon Reborn), which characters they're going to stress the most in each film (do they have the maximum viewpoints of Perrin or Mat or Egwene, for example (well apart from Rand, all chapters with Rand in it are important)? And the minimum of, say, Elayne?)
Makes me wish they just didn't bother making it, or if they did being merciful to themselves and the cast (who'd be type-casted as those characters for the rest of all time like the Lotr cast and the Harry Potter cast. "Oh look there's frodo!" or "It's Ron! Glomp him!") by not going past the third book.
I mean there are equally compelling series that would translate into a film much more easily, such as the first couple of books of the Sword of Truth, or the Shannara books by the "other" Terry Brooks. Or Tad William's Memory Sorrow and Thorn, that would be pretty sweet.
12 to 13 book series...not so much.

[Tidus]

Yea, if they did make the film, and they did somehow manage to get all the different characters POV, an audience that hasn't read the books would be confused, even us readers could get confused, because you know how Hollywood chages things they think aren't important, and in readers eyes are usually very important to the main story or the actual scene.

Edit-All in all, i think it would be a disapointment to readers, so if tEotW did come out, i would go see it, but if it was bad, i wouldn't see any others that came out. I think A Song of Ice and Fire(currently reading) could be made into a film easily and it would be a good one at that.

[Mazrim_Taim]

Well a Song of Ice and Fire certainly has the drama and characters that readers immediately attach to, plus it can scan a whole scene taking in several of the main characters if they're in the same place.
But I think as far as viewpoints it may be more concrete than WoT in that each chapter is locked in a single character's viewpoint (instead of half a dozen like the LoC prologue (shudders)), but this still provides a great challenge. I guess you could omit some chapters that are explained later in passing. I think that series would be a great film for a shocker (horrible war and violence (brutal and quick like real fighting), lots of questionalbe sexual relations with main characters, lots of people having shit happen to them etc), and since there are fewer books than WoT it might be easier to pull off. But these books are getting bigger and bigger, with more and more character viewpoints, so it'll probably end up pretty complicated like WoT towards its later books.
And I don't think Martin has sold the film rights to that yet to anyone.
Anyway, I think if they are going to do movies, they should wait until the whole book series is over, so they can choose then what plotlines to develop early on. I mean you have to cut out some stuff obviously, or edit stuff slightly so it will work visually. So book purists, no matter how well the movie is/are made (or series or whatever), are not going to like it for various reasons.

[UR_VILE_WEDGE]

want books that are hard to make into movies? Try the Amber's or the Covenant books :devil:

Amber has byzantine politicking, and the major turning points are often conversations.


Covenant has bizarre philisophical motivations that wouldn't translate easily (or at all) to the screen.


*wanders off laughing insanely*

[Nesaa]

There is no one that would love to see a WOT movie or series more than me... BUT... I have read a lot of books that became movies and there has only ever been one that didn't dissappoint me (Interview with the Vampire) and that was because the author had a major role in the film production and direction. RJ in my opinion is one of the greatest authors and the WOT is the GREATEST epic adventure of all time. I find it hard to believe that hollywood could be true to the book and meet all of our expectations. There is something to be gained by fantisizing over these characters without a movie. I have found that sometimes when a book has been done serious wrong by a movie that it forever taints the story, its hard to see it the way it was truely intended to be.

[Chuckle_Brother]

I mean there are equally compelling series that would translate into a film much more easily, such as the first couple of books of the Sword of Truth, or the Shannara books by the "other" Terry Brooks. Or Tad William's Memory Sorrow and Thorn, that would be pretty sweet.
12 to 13 book series...not so much.

I agree...100%. Any of those books would be super sweet to see a movie of.

I think a WoT movie might be good, but it would for sure lose something in the translation.

[Felix]

I think the only way to represent the series is through a TV Series. that way they could portray the story correctly (or as close as it gets). Who knows? whatever they decide, i'll still watch it...

[cigarillo ash]

do u think it'd look like our beloved GAME any? and, i can't be the 1st to wonder, why in God's name doesn't someone make a second game, w/ unreal engine 4 etc.

[4th Dimension]

Are you talking about Wheel of Time The Game, that piece of shit? Okay as a game not related to WoT it's cool, but as a game representing WoT world it's crap. Because I don't know if you are talkking about it, I will not go on how I think WoT game should be made.

And as to why not a new edition. Well French (I think) developer studio that published it is gone.

[Karistina]

Someone is developing a new game, actually, but they have been unable to talk to RJ about securing the rights since he's been sick. Evilgamers.net if you want to check it out.

[4th Dimension]

As far as I can see, they havent gone far, and they are planing it to be situeted in AoL. No matter how much I liked AoL, it's not what I want from an WoT game.

[Karistina]

It may not be what you want, but I don't think there will ever be a book-time game, at least not until after AMoL comes out. And maybe not even then.

I'm supposed to be writing for the AoL game, but they haven't responded to my "so when am I going to have something to do?" email since the beginning of the year.

[cigarillo ash]

thanks for enlightening me, i'm sure a book can't be given justice to - it's a world unto its own etc.; my meaning was, if a movie got actually made, would it be half as alluring as those setings in the (gorgeous) WoT game as it is... as to a brand new game, wow, i'm thrilled at the thought. Thanks Karistina, i'll go check it out. For the record, I just adore Jordan's style of writing; it's way too long for me to read tho, the book series. Maybe one day when I'm too feeble to frag ;) i'll sit down to it. I promise!

[4th Dimension]

Well there is a sorta game that should happen during the books. It's name id Wheel of Time mod for Rome Total War. It was soppoused to be consisted of to eras. One preDragon with even Malkier alive, and one post Dumai Wells with a huge Dragon faction covering Tear, Carhien and Cyemlin. Unfortunately they are lacking modelers so they are stuck pretty much now.

There would be nothing like it, like pining down Seanchan with youd Stone Dogs and Asha'man providing fire support, and fearing that Seanchan s'redits might smash and rout your eastern flank.

[Brendan Black]

It would be so cool if a movie came out about the wheel of time the only problem is they would have to either make it really long or cut heaps of stuff out. Still I can't wait

[LogainFD]

it probably will never come out. The series is too long. I mean, when LOTR came out, I was really dissapointed, because some of the most important things were left out. I would not doubt that the same thing would happen to WoT

[muse040786]

Ok... i don't understand. what did they leave out of LoTR that was so important... i have read the books several times.. and seen the movies.. the only things i thought they should have included and didn't would be two characters... Tom Bombadil(not sure on spelling) and Ralaghast the Brown wizard. I thought they did a great job with the movie overall tho.

[UR_VILE_WEDGE]

They altered and added several things though. There were no elves at helms deep in the movie, and it is not immediately clear why there should have been. They remove the Huorn forest coming to save them at the end, insted replacing it with Eomer and crew (Eomer was helping Aragorn hold the main gate in the books)
Furthermore, they make Elrond reforge Anduril and give it to Aragorn near the beginning of the third movie, in the books, he had it reforged by some nameless elves by the time he left Rivendell.

The Dead men of Dunharrow did *not* participate at Pellenor Fields. He led them to defeat the Corsairs at Pelargir, and then took the bulk of Gondor's army (if you read between the lines, it becomes apparant that is where they sen't most of their troops, not to Minas Tirith) and fights an old fashioned battle before the walls of Minas Tirith.

I'm sure there are some other stuff that I didn't like when I saw the movies, but that is all I can think of for the moment.

P.S. I'm not including Faramir and how he acts in the book, because I always thought it was weird that he would see two members of a species that he has never seen before, and let them go into a war zone even though he could be executed for it.

[ashan'alantin]

i know you have been talking about the old WoT game, but im wondering if anyone thinks its a good idea to make a new WoT game, or more than one game. with all the next-gen systems out they could make a great WoT game based on the books where you play as different ones of the main characters through the storys. then they could make a game where you just play as a an initiate to the white/black tower and advance along to higher ranks, such as novice, accepted, and Aes Sedi. then you could take part in events from the storys.

[ashan'alantin]

it probably will never come out. The series is too long. I mean, when LOTR came out, I was really dissapointed, because some of the most important things were left out. I would not doubt that the same thing would happen to WoT
I think that they need to make a movie or series of movies wich is true to the books, doesn't leave out important parts, and draws more people to read WoT. By the way, i like that one guy's idea to break the series up into movies w/ 3-4 books per movie and w/ only the important parts added.

[4th Dimension]

i know you have been talking about the old WoT game, but im wondering if anyone thinks its a good idea to make a new WoT game, or more than one game. with all the next-gen systems out they could make a great WoT game based on the books where you play as different ones of the main characters through the storys. then they could make a game where you just play as a an initiate to the white/black tower and advance along to higher ranks, such as novice, accepted, and Aes Sedi. then you could take part in events from the storys.
It's okay if it's for PC. If it comes out on a console, I'm going to kill somebody.

[Tidus]

Yes, with a PC they can make a good MMORPG with it, bringing to life the WoT world. Where you can make a character and be anything you want, from a Tu'athan or Trolloc, and the whole WoT world is at your disposal, away from the main storyline of the books and the main characters.

[ashan'alantin]

It's okay if it's for PC. If it comes out on a console, I'm going to kill somebody.what do you have against counsoles? they don't have any really big problems, and more people would check into a game for a console than for a PC.

[ashan'alantin]

does anyone play Warhammer, b/c WoT would make a good Warhammer-like game, sort of like LotR Warhammer.

[ashan'alantin]

hey, was it something i said, or does everyone think that weve discussed this too much, or has no one come back here in the past fourdays for some other reason?

[Mazrim_Taim]

please don't double or triple (or anything else more than one) post, there's an edit button for a reason.
Unless there's some actual concrete news, or even a reliable rumor, about the making of an actual Wheel of Time movie, I think we've already exhausted the speculatory discussion about this, "wil the movie stink compared to books" etc.

[4th Dimension]

what do you have against counsoles? they don't have any really big problems, and more people would check into a game for a console than for a PC.

Console titles tend to be gamey, and I don't want silly console stuff in my WoT PC game. Plus controles and graphics would suck.

[Seniave]

I really hope they don't screw it up...that's what happens w/ most movies...

[ashan'alantin]

Taim, im very sorry about the double post and ill try not to do it again. thanks for the heads up about when new info will be posted. and i do mean this sincerely!

[Mazrim_Taim]

thanks for the heads up about when new info will be posted
Can't say I actually know when any new info will be posted, but I think I know what you meant.
Thanks for understanding.
And what about console games vs. pc games? That has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of this thread either!...

[Samuel]

Sounds like good news to me. Even though they could not get the whole story of Lord of the rings, they still did a good job with the movie. If they can portray Lord of the rings; the matrix;Aeon flux especially shows the enormous potential of todays special effects. They dedicated themselves completely to building the sets for Lord of The Rings, they will do the same for The Wheel Of Time.

[Waiw]

Oh my god, this is going to suck. They're going to ruid the WoT name. It's 10x more complicated than LOTR

[Byrn]

I don't see WOT being done as movies. Maybe a Mini-Series like Shogun or Rome, but not as a Theatrical movie or series of movies.

[f-cupid rager]

Oh my god, this is going to suck. They're going to ruid the WoT name. It's 10x more complicated than LOTR

I don't see how WoT is more complicated than LoTR, the only thing it has is more books.
LoTR had more fleshed-out history IMO than WoT, which unfortunately didn't translate into the movie.... If the history of the Wheel isn't represented in a movie, then no amount of braid-pulling, sniffing, OP channeling, Aes Sedai manipulating, sword fights, trolloc raids, myrdraal posturing or CG scenes with a bajillion wolves will save it from "100% Failure Syndrome".

Of course, that's just my opinion.

[Waiw]

In the sense of complication? I mainly meant characters. You can't portray characters as vivid as RJ does in a movie; few can accomplish it in a book. And the actual plot is tough enough, and long, and they'd have to cut some of it—ruining the whole thing. Just not enough =(

[knightredfeild]

oh god they are going to screw it up. there are to many main characture. I tried siting down and writing all the names of people I remember in the book with a 12 font and single space I got 3 pages and I have a really bad memory.