darkfriends

[TheDude99]

ok, so i've been re-reading the great hunt and you know how Egwene gets caputured by the seanchan b/c liandrin takes her and nyneave and elayne to Flame...
there, liandrin turns them over to the high lady suroth, and they are both talking about their master, as in their master is one in the same... we know liandrin's a darkfriend, so wouldn't that make suroth a darkfriend?
if so, isn't suroth w/ tuan in ebu dar? that makes things very interesting... i've been thinking a lot about the shadow's side of the conflict.
you know how the shadow, especially moridin/ishy kept telling rand that the shadow is controlling things? and if the DO is touching the pattern, then maybe(this could be very far-fetched) the DO is pulling strings on rand's taveren ability and pushing events towards his own liking? maybe it's kind of like a contest between the DO and the wheel... like how the wheel weaves vs the DO trying to force the pattern into what he wants and rand is the center of it all? sorry, that's a little side thing... what i really want to know is what you all think about suroth being a darkfriend?
if this has already been discussed, sorry, but i'd like to know.

[Urbal T]

It sounds likely to me, but I can't really support it because I don't have a copy of TGH. I don't agree about the DO being in contrast with the wheel; I think that he is in contrast with the creator, and his methods just happen to be different.

--Ted

[Buckweet]

Honestly, Im not trying to sound like an ass or anything but:

I thought that was something very obvious, if yoiu just made that discovery -- thats cool... but I think the majority here know about it already.

It's fun to "discover" something in the books, and god knows I try to avoid some of those discoveries and see some that arent really there...heehhee

[TheDude99]

i didn't mean to note is as a discovery... more like pointing out a fact that has a great deal of importance since suroth is w/ tuon later and i'm wondering what thoughts are out there on what's going on with that...
also, you all know how jordan is good at adding a lot of detail, like about the people all around the main characters in towns and stuff (if i'm stating something that's been said before i'm sorry)...
perhaps a number of those are telling us something about darkfriends or something... there have been a great number of DFs who have been given personal instructions w/ what to do about rand, mat, perrin, and co. i was thinking that strangers in the crowd that just happen to be passerbys are darkfriends pushing events and forcing things that happen around the hero...

[Jacob]

Making discoveries by yourself is always fun, even if someone has already made them before you :-)

Yea, Suroth is a dark friend, as I remember, we even have it as a fact from her own thoughts back in LoC. Suroth isn't the most importand darkfriend with Tuon though. Anath, Tuon's TruthSpeaker (something like that) is. I won't spoil it for you totally here, but I suggest you re-read the parts with Anath in them and you should be able to figure out who she is, she's got some nasty characteristics...
Futher hint (if you need one): Tuon is a Willfull woman.

Enjoy:-)

[Aragorn]

This raises a question: There had to have been a few people at the Darkfriend Social that Carridin didn't recognise. Any possibility of any Seanchan being there?

[Jacob]

That seems unlikely to me, for the reason of how the heck would they get there?? the meeting took place somewhere close to Shayol Ghul and surely no Seanchan would have been able to make it there? There is Traveling, of course, but I don't see the Forsaken working at delivering people there, especially since these people would be so far beneth them. The meeting did take place in the Flesh, didn't it?

[Theoban]

c'mon Jacob, they could have been walking for about a year, set off before they know what was happening.

Seriously though, are we even sure that any Forsaken apart from Ishamael was awake at that time? Aginor and Balthamel were, but already dead by the time that the meeting took place.

[Aragorn]

I got the idea that everybody was sort of magicked there somehow. All these Aes Sedai, nobles from different nations, a high-ranking Whitecloak officer, a Tinker, and even one of the Sea Folk just made a trip up to Shayol Ghul for this meeting? It would have taken weeks of travel, going there and back!