Song of Ice and Fire

[QuirkyTemplate]

Holy crap. I'm addicted to George RR Martin like crack! Just finished Clash of Kings and I'll probably be over here drooling until I can get the next book. I'm sorry but the song of ice and fire totally blows away the wheel o' time.

[Vivacia]

I've been a SoIaF fan since the first book came out. I hate to say it, but after the last few WoT books, GRRM is my fav two. Yes, RJ is now number 2 on my list of favorite authors. Maybe if RJ would go back to writing like he did in the first 4 or 5 books I'd change my mind.

[archely]

okay, i'm just gonna say i agree with both of you and leave it at that.

oh, and...

I see a vivacia! Come back viv! LT is fading away and he cries himself to sleep frequently now!

[LaughingTurtle]

*sniff* tis true...my lovely sedai doesn't frequent the boards (or even chat :eek: ) as much as she used to...where has the magic gone? :(

[mindphone]

Originally posted by QuirkyTemplate
Holy crap. I'm addicted to George RR Martin like crack!

man i've been addicted to crack and it's not half as potent as a song of ice and fire. :D ;) i just started re-reading a clash of kings again - gonna read the books over in preparation for a feast for cors in april. i can honestly that i have never been so worked up for a single book being released. WoT books coming out has never put me in a state of utter excitement like this - and there is still three months too go!

[Vivacia]

~is wracked with much guilt for my prolonged absence~

I'm here! I swear I am...I just never seem to see anyone else on when I am. I shall make every attempt to stop my terrible neglect of my oh so magnificent warder. I'll even give you some attention too Arch. promise ;)

[QuirkyTemplate]

SPOILER!!!




















































I'm half way through Storm of swords and ... Holy freakin crap! Rob dies?! That's crazy cool! Main characters getting killed off is awesome!

>feels need to add more exclamation points<

!!

[mindphone]

wait for the end QT ;) no other author could pull it off. :)

[Buckweet]

Hwa!! Yea I was shocked too. This series is carzy cool. Talk about killing the good guys :cry: You get attached to them and *poof* dead, just like that.

Anyone know when the next book is coming out?

[archely]

Tyrion is definitely the best character.

Oh, and buck...

www.georgerrmartin.com

[Buckweet]

Fah! Clicking that link took acual work :p

But holy cow, he has a beard too!!! Come to think of it...so did Terry Goodkind. Is it some grand conspiracy of fantasy authors?????

Maybe they are all secretly part of this mafia. They all have baby eating beards. RJ is the pimp and GRRM I guess would be the animal trainer :confused:

[archely]

okay buck, next time i won't help you out. :grumbles:

[Buckweet]

:dozey:

Im the one who was being bitchy/lazy so quit yours :p
You get props for effort :D

You must have been in uber work mode cause I see you did the 3.x too. Im truly shocked you conspired and got two more judges in the circle. You sneaky devil. ;)

[QuirkyTemplate]

I finished Storm of Swords a little while ago. And yeah, it was in fact, the shiznit.

Unfortunately, I'm left with nothing but Crossroads of Twilight. Bah! What a horrible piece of garbage! I'm 3/4 of the way through this book and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING has happened! Yo RJ! If don't have anything to write, then wait until you do! Don't fill up 700+ pages with descriptions of rooms and people blushing or getting incredibly shocked because someone arced an eyebrow! This is absurd! Does anything at all happen in this book? Will I care by the time I get there?

I don't care about the crappy politics of Caemlyn or the reasons Egwene "just can't attack the white tower"! You stupid she-wench! If you want the tower to remain whole so bad, then freaking surrender!

The only thing that could save this series is if the last battle happened with no warning at all and Rand & Co. got screwed despite all this preperation. But RJ wouldn't do that. Blarg.

[Arianna Sedai]

i would also like to repeat that Song of Ice and Fire books are sooo much better
than WoT and im just now in the middle of storm of Swords (#3) and i am soo
hooked...i recomend that all wotists read this series. it sincearly rocks.
that is all
Arianna Sedai

[^odt^]

i think its an unfair comparison to make.....but SoIaF is way better! but WoT is way better than anything else out there

[mindphone]

Originally posted by ^odt^
i think its an unfair comparison to make.....but SoIaF is way better! but WoT is way better than anything else out there


ummmm.........

[val7]

I wouldn't go that far... I can think of at least 2 (not counting aSoIaF) series that are much better than WoT, and a couple others that are as good or a little better. But aSoIaF beats them all and leaves them lying in sad, inferior pieces in an alley.

[QuirkyTemplate]

>seconds that<

edit: mindphone's comment that is.

second edit: Yeah, and val's too.

[Arianna Sedai]

not sure if anyone will read this as it has not been visited since feb, if not i may just have to make a new thread just because i can't wait for the next book of SoIaF. the feast of crows which, if they don't push it back again is due out in sept (here in the US)

Waiting for it is driving me crazy and i just now remembered that WoTism had a thread on it. that made me super happy.

[Aragorn]

Well, the "GRRM" thread seems to be posted in regularly.

[KA3AK]

Yea, I've read the entire SoIaF published so far. Man, that series is intense. What I like the most about it is the realism. Martin is obviouly less attached to his characters then anyone else. I mean more then half of the major characters are dead. On the other hand WoT characters are much more detailed and realistic. Well, some of them at least, the main ones.
So far SoIaF really rocked, but then again people said the same thing about the first 3-4 WoTs. So I hope Martin will learn from RJ mistakes. I mean cmon? In CoT Elayne takes a shower and rides a horse for like 200 pages?!?! What is wrong with RJ???

[Aragorn]

Originally posted by KA3AK
WoT characters are much more detailed and realistic.

No.

[mindphone]

Originally posted by KA3AK
On the other hand WoT characters are much more detailed and realistic.

don't be ridiculous.

[LaughingTurtle]

More detailed...mayhaps in how he describes what clothes they're wearing

More realistic....only in that normal people in real life can be really stupid and many of RJ's characters are really, really, really dumb at times esp certain ones.

[mindphone]

man i wish RJ character's were akin to real life
then i could simultaneously carry out sexual relationships with three gorgeous women who all grudgingly accept the presence of the others in my life + don't make much of a fuss about it. :D

[Aragorn]

Actually, they all seem to GET ALONG amazingly well.

[Arianna Sedai]

since we've all agreed (well, most of us anyway) that WoT characters suck in that the details givin are not those wanted aka clothes, showers etc. , and that anything making them akin to real life is nonexistant....

does anyone know the exact release date of a Feast for Crows in the US????? i know its sometime in sept, but is the exact date decided on, and if so, what is it....

GRRM is so talented and i REALLY hope he doesnt fuck the rest of his books by pulling a RJ. but i don't expect he will (optimist:D )

[mindphone]

Originally posted by Arianna Sedai
since we've all agreed (well, most of us anyway) that WoT characters suck in that the details givin are not those wanted aka clothes, showers etc. , and that anything making them akin to real life is nonexistant....

does anyone know the exact release date of a Feast for Crows in the US????? i know its sometime in sept, but is the exact date decided on, and if so, what is it....

GRRM is so talented and i REALLY hope he doesnt fuck the rest of his books by pulling a RJ. but i don't expect he will (optimist:D )

his website says the book still isn't finished but he will notify all his fans as soon as he finishes it. it's going to be well over a thousand pages i think.

and no, i don't think grrm will ever fall into the shit pit like jordan has. he has already said a song of ice and fire will be six books, rather than 2352758247589034795 like WOT. plus, after reading tonnes of fantasy series, i can easily say WOT is not even in my top 10 anymore. the first books were alright but even they were a bit lame. the whole series is a walking cliche, which can be said for many other high fantasy series but not the really good ones.

[Arianna Sedai]

damn, cuz our bookstore guy told me sept.......and i was all psyched, now im sad, but at least i know it'll be well worth the wait

[KA3AK]

I still think that it is kind of hard to find the difference between Martin's characters. Let me refrase what I previously said. I agree that, especially in the last books, WoT characters became just weird and freaky (except for Mat):). What I've been meaning to say is that they are more easely distinguished from each other, they have more individuality. We do know more about them. Of course that might be because WoT is a 10-book series, and SoIaF has only 3 books so far :)

[mindphone]

Originally posted by KA3AK
I still think that it is kind of hard to find the difference between Martin's characters.

would you prefer if he went the jordan route and made every character have one or two character traits that their whole persona revolved around.
like we all know by now that perrin is introverted, mat is lucky, nyneave is a bitch, min is all tomboy, faile is a bitch etc.
jordan likes playing on certain traits for each of his characters so much that they become one dimensional and i get to the point where i'm thinking: 'oooo...is rand going to grump about something and have mat respond with a witty joke which inturn will cause nyneave to tug on her braid in this scene?'
with a song of ice and fire the characters do have traits about them that are prominent (like a lot of people do) but at the same time martin shapes them so that they seem more like real human beings. for example, as much of a vile shit as tyrion is, there are parts where you can't help but love him - you can't say that about the villains in WoT. every character in WoT just seems so damn unreal to me. i think the real reason that a song of ice and fire appeals to me much more than jordan's series is that the characters all have an element of reality that i can relate to. when i'm reading WoT books i find myself rolling my eyes much more when one of the main characters does something.

[KA3AK]

I agree with you on what you said about WoT characters being one-dimentional. I can always anticipate what each of them will say or do in almost every scene. My favorite WoT character was Moiraine, to my mind she was the most interesting one. She wasn't a one-sided character. Well, now she god knows where.:(
No, I don't want Martin to write with as many details as RJ. Obviouly RJ was trying to make his world as realistic as the Middle Earth, but went overboard with clothing and stuff. It is hard for a series to stay good after 10 books. But on the other hand WoT characters are so detailed, that it's almost like we know them in real life. Most tSoIaF charcters are strangers to us, although we find out more about them with every chapter.
And btw, I don't really consider Tyrion to be as much of a villan, unlike Littlefinger.
One of the key aspects that add realism to tSoIaF the social structure - god old feudalism (no freaky Aiel and other stuff). Does anyone think that tSoIaF feels much more realistic because there is no One Power and channelers everywhere, and because their society sounds so familiar to us?

[Arianna Sedai]

yes, i agree that GRRM's setting is more realistic because of its likeness to our own....i aslo believe this is true for his characters; they have many similarities to ourselves, or ppl we know where as RJ's characters just pale in comparison.

go GRRM!!! YAY!!! *wants next book NOW*:furious:

[mindphone]

yeh the wait is excruciating. =\

[Buckweet]

Ok so exactly when in August is it due to be released?

:umm: :D

[James]

August 26 apparently, and I am so gonna pre-order it sometime this week

From the Publisher
Few books have captivated the imagination and won the devotion and praise of readers and critics everywhere as has George R. R. Martin’s monumental epic cycle of high fantasy. Now, in A Feast for Crows, Martin delivers the long-awaited fourth book of his landmark series, as a kingdom torn asunder finds itself at last on the brink of peace...only to be launched on an even more terrifying course of destruction.
A Feast for Crows
It seems too good to be true. After centuries of bitter strife and fatal treachery, the seven powers dividing the land have decimated one another into an uneasy truce. Or so it appears....With the death of the monstrous King Joffrey, Cersei is ruling as regent in King’s Landing. Robb Stark’s demise has broken the back of the Northern rebels, and his siblings are scattered throughout the kingdom like seeds on barren soil. Few legitimate claims to the once desperately sought Iron Throne still exist--or they are held in hands too weak or too distant to wield them effectively. The war, which raged out of control for so long, has burned itself out.
But as in the aftermath of any climactic struggle, it is not long before the survivors, outlaws, renegades, and carrion eaters start to gather, picking over the bones of the dead and fighting for the spoils of the soon-to-be dead. Now in the Seven Kingdoms, as the human crows assemble over a banquet of ashes, daring new plots and dangerous new alliances are formed, while surprising faces--some familiar, others only just appearing--are seen emerging from an ominous twilight of past struggles and chaos to take up the challenges ahead.
It is a time when the wise and theambitious, the deceitful and the strong will acquire the skills, the power, and the magic to survive the stark and terrible times that lie before them. It is a time for nobles and commoners, soldiers and sorcerers, assassins and sages to come together and stake their fortunes...and their lives. For at a feast for crows, many are the guests--but only a few are the survivors.

[Arianna Sedai]

okay, first i thought it was coming out in sept...when i posted that, ppl said the book wasn't even finished yet and so that date was not correct....

and now you're saying Aug?!?!? wait a minute....where'd you get that from? not that i don't hope you're right with all my heart, but his official website says he's still not done writing yet and that he'll post it there first thing/the second he finishes...so, all i ask is, where did you find an aug release date, where is it coming out, and does anyone kno the US release?

[James]

From barnes and noble. Maybe he hasn't quite finished it yet but is close enough that they could establish a release date?

[Byrn]

August is too close. IT still has to be editied. That's like a three to four month process. We're looking at next April.

[James]

I don't even know when the book is coming out anymore. I swear to god when I checked the other day barnes and noble said august 26 2003 but I checked again today and I couldn't find any info on it at all. So I looked around a bit and there's so many fucking dates I don't think anyone knows when it's coming out. One said feb.2004, one said june.2004 and another said august.2004 and so on so who knows when it's really going to be published. I'd be surprised if georgey himself knows :dozey:
:grumbles:

[Arianna Sedai]

damn, now im depressed, oh well, i'll just have to reread them and bide my time....*re-begins a game of thrones*
*prepares for maybe a month of reading if i drag it out*

and just keep chekin the officail website for the day he's finished writing

[mindphone]

Originally posted by Arianna Sedai
and just keep chekin the officail website for the day he's finished writing

i've been doing that for so long :(

[KevBrinks]

ok guys...I just finished book 1 and Im desperate to find out:

does Bran live?? I mean, throughout the series. He is my favorite character and I was hella pissed when they killed his father (god DAMN Grrm has balls) but for some reason i love the little tyke...please tell me he has lived thus far into the series

[James]

*isn't telling*

;)

[Arianna Sedai]

Originally posted by mindphone
i've been doing that for so long :(


i know, me too:( :( look, double sad


ha ha, you dont know if bran lives, you'll just have to read faster, like the rest of us...


in happier news, grrm is comin to a sci fi convention in new mexico in later aug...with alot of other cool authors its linked from his website if you're gonna be around NM then...could be an opportunity to accost him with "faster, man, hurry up" or "how's it you have time to do stuff like this when so many ppl are waiting for your book" or to ask for an autograph..whatever suits your fancy...dont kno if i can make it, but i wanna

[Aragorn]

Or ask him questions about future events and see if we get as many RAFOs as with Mr. Jordan.

[KevBrinks]

Originally posted by James
*isn't telling*

;)

i hate you, man

*can't bring himself to hate Amaia, even tho she wimped out on getting her daily dose last night in chat*

[James]

I just don't want to spoil it for you. Where's the fun in knowing what is or isn't going to happen? :)

[KevBrinks]

Originally posted by James
I just don't want to spoil it for you. Where's the fun in knowing what is or isn't going to happen? :)
thou art forgiven, for the books are journeying right now into my posession!

[Arianna Sedai]

im rereading the first one (game of thrones)...and Eddard just died; even tho i knew it was coming, it still made my stomach hurt when it happened. that's how powerful these books are, they can make me physically ill at times, and suspencefull, or extatically happy, or thoughtful, or devious at others...and that's in REreading them. its so wicked awesome that a work of fiction can have that much of an effect on all aspects of my life. *in complete awe of GRRM*
*in complete anticipation of a FfC*

[Buckweet]

:grumbles: now you have me all wanting to re-read them too.

I guess if I must... I MUST ... *sigh* ;)

[mindphone]

yeh i'm re-reading them again too.

i've been waiting so so long for a feast for crows. i can't go on without reading something from that series....:(

[James]

mmmppff. I also started re-reading them yesterday. Mayhaps we should write feast for crows ourselves so that we do not need wait so long :dozey:

[Arianna Sedai]

YES, I am SO contagous...that rocks. everyone should reread them cuz that's how much they rule. then we can write the next for ourselves..but i guess that doesnt work too well, cuz one of the main reasons they're so good is that you never know what will happen next (also makes rereading seem less exciting, but, meh, do it anyways, if only to conform)


and then we can actually talk about the first 3, as opposed to just moaning over the fact that the 4th is not yet out
(but we can do that as well, of cource):D

[Arianna Sedai]

don't read so much that you don't post tho, its a balance...read, post, read, post, now you try it.

[Buckweet]

Ok here is book 4 for just you Arianna ;)

Chapte 1.

Danarys sees John frost.


Chapter 2-19

Various people you come to love die. Including Jaim. :cry:

Chapter 20

The people you hate become your favorite

Chapter 21

Danarys and John frost shack up and hatch a couple more eggs.



:eek:

[Lucas Jin'ra]

I'm going to read this series when I'm on holiday. I hope all the hype you lot have made proves true.

[James]

Originally posted by Buckweet
Various people you come to love die. Including Jaim. :cry:

Nooo! :eek:

Man I swear if he killed Dany I would kill him :furious:

Oh and when Dany fucked-up those slavers who sold her the Unsullied with the very same Unsullied and her dragons did anyone else so totally see that coming a mile away because I did and it still rocked :D

*loves Dany* :love:

[Arianna Sedai]

YAY, abbreviated book 4 just for me!! Thanks Bucky:blush:

and Dany and the unsullied, that was one of the few places that i could actually tell what was commin. but these books have so few moments like that. and it was still good when it happened, so....


YAYA discussion of books....im so happy, more to say later, goin to read now

[Byrn]

Yeah I didn't know whether to cry or celebrate when Jaim lost his hand. You end up liking all the characters. Personally I think all the eminity will be put to the side once the Others cross the wall. Well most of it anyways.

[mindphone]

although the wait is testing and makes me :( , i am quite confident it will be worth it. no worries, fellow GRRM fans, i'll put good money on a feast for crows being incredible. and massively long. unlike some other certain authors *cough*, i have faith in GRRM.

[Arianna Sedai]

im beginning to love all of the characters in a SoIaF so much that i dont want anything bad to happen to any of them. but, paradoxially, that is what makes these books so good....argh, i don't even know what i want anymore.

damn

*now, back to reading* I'm on book 2 now...YAYA

[Mithrandir]

It's alive.... *sigh*

I just finished reading SoIaF (so far) first time..

The only thing i can think of, is;
:eek: :eek:

Damn this serie rules.... whooo...

~speechless!~

[lan sam]

I just started reading it toniht. already good.

[Arianna Sedai]

yes, good goooood. read my pretties, adn your little dogs too.


sorry, i've been away from human contact for FAR too long.

good books, everyone keep reading.

tell me when you get somewhere and want to talk about it. just about to reread the 3rd one now so im gonna do that, so yes, goodbye

[lan sam]

I'm a little more than halfway through a Game of Thrones. jees, I don't want Eddard to die, but he prolly will cause he keeps getting inot trouble. I just finished the part where bran and robb are in the woods and the runaways come and get slaughtered. Btw, I like that first thing you said. I was in that play.

[Dingdin]

Agreeing with the above hype.

aSoIaF is great. The fact that key characters die is not enough in itself, but they die just when they shouldn't from a traditional storytelling point of view. I love that. Plus I like the magic, because it is magic, it's really something ominous and strange and inexplicable, not a pretty science like in WoT or the Deverry series for instance.

[lan sam]

yeah. But, it exists. Anyways, I don't want Eddard to die. He just discovered the Cersei/Jaime insest thing, and it's starting to get really interesting. Arya is fucking AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sansa's stupid.

[Dingdin]

Yeah, she is.

Both of them...

but you will learn (to your horror and dismay) that one cannot ever trust Martin... What seems is not what is.... muahhahahahhaa! :cool:

just read on...

[Arianna Sedai]

yes, read on, faster, faster....once you pick it up, you are not allowed to put it down until you finish

[lan sam]

completely true. Robert just died or whatever, and Renly wants to kidnap the insest-born children. Damn Joffrey.

[KevBrinks]

i dont remember Robert dying in the first book...

[Buckweet]

Holy spoilers you people. Shame on on you all. Quit spouting out all the cool stuff.

[KevBrinks]

you mean that in the future Robb will die?:(

YOU RUINED THE WHOLE SERIES FOR ME!!! THANKS A LOT PEOPLE! NOW I WILL NEVER READ SoIaF...and its all YOUR FAULT :cries:
*leaves*

*returns with the 9-Iron and Baseball Bat of Spoilage: Pain and Suffering (respectively)*

Lan you are first, bitch!

edit:w00t i do believe thats signature-worthy

[James]

No-one said anything about Robb dying. Sam meant Robert Baratheon who dies in the first book. But anyhow, if you haven't read all the books you should refrain from reading threads like this, just as people who haven't read all the WoT books should stay away from the theories forum

[Arianna Sedai]

props James, exactly what i would have said, but you got there first and i'm glad i actually decided to read the last post before i did that. but, yes, all true.

[lan sam]

ummm. ALL of em? ummm. Anyways, The ending of the first book is AWESOME. With teh King in the North stuff and then THE DAENERYS THING. She just sort of walked inthe fire like,":cool: " and tehn the dragon stuff. MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!

[KA3AK]

Yea, I guess we are poting too many spoilers without warning.

[James]

No warnings necessary. The way I see it if you look at a thread like this part-way through the series you're just asking for spoilers. Read them all first then come back to discuss them so the rest of us who have read them can talk about them openly and without posting massiv spoiler warnings everytime that we talk about major events in the books. Like the part where Dany dies or the part where Jon kills Sam or the even better part where Bran turns out to be the dragon reborn ;)


Okay, I did want to talk about something actually, and that is who did kill Joffrey. I know Littlefinger told Sansa it was whats-her-name but as we know he's a big liar so it might not be. I haven't missed something have I? Feel free to clear it up for me if I have :)

[lan sam]

::weeps::

[val7]

hey, you should read faster.
;)

[Arianna Sedai]

Originally posted by James
Okay, I did want to talk about something actually, and that is who did kill Joffrey. I know Littlefinger told Sansa it was whats-her-name but as we know he's a big liar so it might not be. I haven't missed something have I? Feel free to clear it up for me if I have :)


i don't remember off hand cuz t'has been a while since i read them, but i'm almost up to that part re reading, so i'll tell you when i get there.

[jerome]

i must say that i started reading this series due to the recommendation you guys gave it and holy shi*t is this stuff good. i read the last one for 18 hours straight so i wouldnt have to stop in the middle anywhere. the only problem is it doesnt seem like theres much to talk about since grrm is so unusual in his character killing. all i can wonder is who will die next.

[Buckweet]

I think the better question is who is not going to die :rolleyes:

I started rereading the series myself and I get goose bumps whenever a new character gets introduced.

[lan sam]

how many main characters DO die in this series? I just finished Clash of Kings, so that would be (only characters who have their own chapters)

Eddard
Theon
Davos

anymore? (only in the first two books if you would be so kind though)

[val7]

i'd say you are in for some surprises... ;)

[lan sam]

hmm. scratch that Davos dying business, at least for now.

[lan sam]

Originally posted by James
No-one said anything about Robb dying.


:cry:

[Buckweet]

Not that many main characters die really,...it just is a shocker when it happens in book 1...very anti RJ imo.

[lan sam]

umm. 1)Eddard 2) Catelyn 3)Robb 4) Arya ( I think) 5)Theon.


That's five times the amount of main characters that die as in WoT.

[val7]

like i said before: you are DEFINITELY going to be surprised. ;)

[lan sam]

ok. No more Arya being dead. Is she gonna be another shapechanger(?) like Bran?and who knows, maybe NONE OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE DEAD, but then they all die, and the Lannisters beat everyone including Daenerys when she comes (that would SUCK)!!! I've come to learn that becoming attached to characters will lead to nothing but heartbreak. The Night's Watch/Mance battle was sweet. both of em.

[Byrn]

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Arya is going to be an assasin. At the end of a Storm of Swords she boards a ship sailing to Braavos.

[lan sam]

How do you know it wasn't bound for Eastwatch? The captain seemed pretty quick to change his mind when she said the Valar Morghulis thing.

[Byrn]

We don't know, that's my speculation. But when it comes to these things, I've hardly ever wrong.

[val7]

how modest of you... ;)

[Arianna Sedai]

damn, when you said spoilers, i didn't realize you actually meant spoilers for after the last book out now...i think that may be more of a theory, but still..... :grumbles:

[James]

I'm with Byrn. I like her chances of meeting up with Dany too. Also Tyrion is headed for the free cities..

[Lucas Jin'ra]

Certainly a reasonably high death count among the main characters. Those bastard Freys really notched it up a score but wait a minute, she died and came back! ha ha. She shoulda stayed dead!
I don't know about you lot but I got annoyed whenever it was Catelyn or Sansa doing the story, they caused half the trouble!

Favourite character angle is probably Davos, The Onion Knight. Tyrion is also great, I loved what he does to his father I thought that was excellent. Littlefinger also became a really good character right at the end when he shoved Lysa.

Top man-The Hound, quality, menacing yet a hero in a strange way. Scared of nothing but fire, I loved that but did he die when Arya left him? And is Bronn gone for good too?

[lan sam]

yes and yes. both gone forever..... Hey, when was the last time you posted Lucas? Yeah.......They are all going to the free cities aren't they.

[Byrn]

Well everybody but Bran and Jon. Jon is my personal favorite. Robb was my favorite until the bloody wedding.

[James]

Robb wasn't even a main character, the only Stark other than Rickon to not be so, so I didn't really have a lot of hopes for him. My favourites are still Danaerys & Arya. And Dolorous Edd. Tyrion would be a close third-ish.

ps: big-ups for having the Tool quote in your sig Byrn :)


:cat:

[lan sam]

LOL. Dolorous Edd!!!! LOL

[Lucas Jin'ra]

The Clegane brothers kicked ass. The Hound was the best but that fight between the mountain and the viper prince was excellent!

This series seems not to be who's the hero but more who's the greatest villain. I think its safe to say that Joffrey was the nastiest little bastard around. You will never see a character in any other book that you will hate so much. Frey was also a right royal bastard as was Lysa Arynn and many many more. The villains in this series heavily outweigh the goodies and I think thats why I like it so much, There are sides to the villains though that make them likeable on occasion, but not very often.

[lan sam]

Yeah. But Tyrion and Littlefinger were awesome badguys. Especially when Littlefinger gave that bitch what she deserved.

[Byrn]

I never saw Tyrion as a badguy. What did he ever do to hurt the Starks? If he did anything , he undermined Cersi(sp) and protected Sansa. AND he killed the true Villian, Tywin

[Lucas Jin'ra]

1-the Hound, Sandor Clegane
2-The Onion Knight, Ser Davos Seaworth
3-The Imp, Tyrion Lannister
4-Crow, Jon Snow
5-The Lightning Lord, Beric Dondarrion
6-Arya Stark
7-Ned Stark
8-Bronn
9-The Young Wolf, Robb Stark
10-The Knight of Flowers, Ser Loras Tyrell

That was quite hard to do. So many good characters, I'm sure I've missed a load. I don't even think thats the order I like them best in. I missed Daenery's ahhhh, I give up! All the characters are good even the bad ones. Sansa and Catelyn exception.

[lan sam]

Loras?? He's a pansy.:D

[Lucas Jin'ra]

Loras is probably the best fighter in the whole seven kingdoms now. Jaime doesn't have a hand, the mountain is dying of poison, the hound is probably dead. Ok Brienne {WENCH} beat him, but she cheated, he would maul her if they had a fight one on one.

[Byrn]

How did Brienne Cheat? IT was a one on one melee. She was more resourceful.

[lan sam]

yeah. i sort of like Brienne, but only cause she has half of Ice. She's not a very enjoyable character beyond that.

[Lucas Jin'ra]

Ok then Brienne may not have cheated but it could have gone eitherway. My point is that Loras is not a pansy. The Brothers Clegane could beat him but there pretty fcked now, so loras is the best fighter.

[Byrn]

Says you. Loras may be the Best in Tournament, but lets see him on the field of Combat. My money is on Bronn.

[Lucas Jin'ra]

Bronn is hard aswell, but he's gone know, never to return. He probably will though. Anyway, Loras was on the battle of the blackwater, it was said he fought really well. He's the best in the kingsguard at the moment and they are the best throughout the land.

[Byrn]

They WERE the best. Now they're a bunch of trumped up hedge knights(mostly). They're just Lannister thugs.

[Lucas Jin'ra]

I can't win with this can I? All I was trying to say was Loras is not a pansy! Hes not the best character, hell he's not even a secondary character, but he is ONE of the best fighters in the seven kingdoms! Now if you want to argue who's the best I simply say the Hound! It took three men to take him down and even then he killed them all, got a small wound which festered and most likely killed him.

[James]

Originally posted by Lucas Jin'ra
It took three men to take him down and even then he killed them all, got a small wound which festered and most likely killed him.
um, arya killed two of those guys

[lan sam]

hehe. And the wound was actually more like half of his face. Although I do think that the Hound is the best figter. Oberyn beat Gregor, he was just a proud dumbass. And don't tell me that he used a "poisonous weapon" because it didn't kill right away anyways. So THERE.

[val7]

just started rereading the series again, and in case anyone hasn't gotten the hint yet: READ THIS SERIES!!!!!!

even though I remembered most of what happened, I was still surprised by stuff and I still got into the books just as much as I had the first time. My favorite characters used to be Jon and Dany, but I'm definitely adding Tyrion to that list. :cool:

:dance1:

[James]

now add arry to that list and your list is complete ;) :)

[Lucas Jin'ra]

And The Hound!

What is up with all the Arya worship? She is a good character but seriously what has she done that has been of any importance? She gets caught then escapes all the time, it makes for good reading but she hasn't done anything major. Maybe she will do something big in the next book with all the Valar Morguhlas thing unravelling, but until then keep the worship to those that it is due.

[val7]

ummm... winning Harrenhal back from the Lannisters comes to mind...

[Byrn]

To retort, has the Hound done anything of great import? Not really. While he is cool, he is not near as cool as Jon or Dany or Arry.

[Lucas Jin'ra]

The Hound saved Sansa from the mob. He also very nearly got Arya back too Robb and Catelyn. He saved Arya at the red wedding, when otherwise she would have probably gotten caught/killed. He also saved Loras from gregor after the tourney.

Don't get me wrong I think Arya is one of the best characters, yet she hasn't done anything amazing yet, Harrenhal, she would have remained a servant if it wasn't for the valar guy (forgotten his name ahhh).

[lan sam]

yeah. Arya's cool, and all, but I really think that next book will be the time to worship her. She is the coolest of the Starks though.

[Arianna Sedai]

yes, discussion, and its about time too. good, good.

too tired to comment on the book now, but i'll be back. :p

[Lucas Jin'ra]

All the characters in ASoIaF are good, some great, but there is the odd one that pops up and you think GO AWAY. Mine are Caetelyn and Sansa, nearly every time I came to a chapter from their point of view I would stop reading. Some of their chapters were good yet I often found myself getting very piissed off with them.

[Arianna Sedai]

i totally agree, for me, it was Cat more than Sansa b/c at least in Sansa's chapters there is some interaction with other characters and some plot development. with cat, especially during the 2nd book when there is a long period of time in which she basically pines about her son being king and her father dying etc. which got to the point where i almost skipped over it, was really boring. and the same thing at some points with other characters too, but nothing that bad.



i want the next one, damn it! :cry:

[Lucas Jin'ra]

I wonder if in the next book GRRM will continue from Cats pov. I doubt it very much, I can see it now, a couple of chapters of just cats thoughts, no speaking, just her whining endlessly over Robb.

[val7]

I am hoping that catelyn's throat disorder :shattered: may prevent us from having to suffer from her PoV. She'll probably be in the books, and we'll see her actions, but I don't know how exactly she could have a PoV. I could be wrong tho.

[James]

i like cat as a character, she is so very tragic, but yeah her pov is usually boring as hell. even more than ned was :dozey:

[Lucas Jin'ra]

Ned wasn't boring. He lost his head before he could really get much done.

[Arianna Sedai]

LOL....awww, he lost his head...it really shouldn't be funny, yet i did laugh :rolleyes: but i really didn't think his ch.'s were boring, he actually thought things, stead of just pining.
but, yeah, that'd be great if we didn't have to suffer Cat's PoV anymore, tho i doubt it, she can still think, at least as far as i know and assume, which seems to be the only criteria for having pov chapters.

i don't know if anyone else thinks about this, or cares, but i was trying to explain the series to someone today, and so, tried to compare it to something they would know, like from real life....so, i was wondering, has anyone else ever thought about the similarities between religions/groups of ppl/etc. in the series and real life? any thoughts?

[lan sam]

YES!!!!!!!! Totally. I think it's very realistic, if a little too sanitary...

God, actual conversation makes me want the next book more than ever!!!!!

[Arianna Sedai]

I KNOW......ME TOO!!

it's been way too long, (not that i'm being impatient in an "i hope he just puts it out now even tho it would be better quality if he took his time" kinda way, but still, argh)

[Lucas Jin'ra]

I tried to describe the story to my idiot brother the other day. It was so difficult cause I jumped from character to character which totally confused him. In the end I narrowed it down to:
A King dies, leaving the Iron Throne for his son, who it turns out is not in fact his son but a little shit bread through incest between the queen and her brother. This starts off a whole string of events. The main family in the book the Starks find it out, the father of the family gets his head taken off, so the son proclaims himself King in the North and wages war. The King who died had two brothers, they think the throne should be theirs, so they wage war on the boy king aswell. Whilst this is happening there is a huge wall in the north protecting the kingdom from wild savages, this wall is under threat. And whilst ALL this is happening the rightful heir to the Iron Throne is across the ocean building an army with three Dragons.

Very basic but it got the point across I think.

[Lucas Jin'ra]

So cool! I just went to the GRRM site and joy- a chapter from Feast for Crows. Daenerys being queen in Mereen!
Anyway, I also downloaded a quality picture of Robert vs Rhaegar on the Trident for my desktop wallpaper. GRRM also posted that he was currently finishing a chapter from Allana's pov {I think that was the name}, a new character pov, joy!

SPOILER
Earlier in this thread someone asked who killed Joff? It was one of the Kettlebacks in the kingsguard. Littlefinger placed them there making Cersai think they were hers.

[James]

Originally posted by Lucas Jin'ra
SPOILER
Earlier in this thread someone asked who killed Joff? It was one of the Kettlebacks in the kingsguard. Littlefinger placed them there making Cersai think they were hers.
actually after reading it, it was pretty obvious that it was the queen of thorns, margaery's grandmother.

[Lucas Jin'ra]

Thats what I originally thought. Yet I believe Littlefinger more, the queen of thorns was one of the obvious choices, it made it out to be her then littlefinger changed it, saying it was one of the kettlebacks.
Anyway your probably right, but until it actually says she did it, I will stick with my presumption.

[James]

Originally posted by Lucas Jin'ra
Yet I believe Littlefinger more,
no offense, but don't you think that's kind of foolish? litlefinger is considered the biggest liar of anyone in the whole series (by other characters that is)

[Lucas Jin'ra]

Your probably right, but on this one occasion I think littlefinger is telling the truth. Why would he lie about that? Yeah he lies alot but the odd thing must be true or their wouldn't be a point to his character until he gets found out. I think its one of those things that most think its tyrion, some think its the queen of thorns but its really the kettleback guy under the control of littlefinger. I think it was done to show he has power still there, not to add another twist.

[lan sam]

seriously, Littlefinger is the most powerful character in the whole books. at least taht's alive (:kill: Tywin)

[Jacob]

On a related note: I got Legends II a couple of days back and I've read the ASoIaF story in it and it was good :) Egg and Dunk, what a team. It is of course very different from the main story of ASoIaF. The story is quite "every day" after a fashion but the writing is good and the two main characters have become very much alive in my mind. Another thing that I feel that these two stories (from Legends and Legends II) have done is to give the world of ASoIaF abit more flesh, making it more real.

Oh, I've also read the Feist story and that was good too. I don't know if everyone will agree with me though because I felt the same about the Feist story in Legends and I don't tkink I got anyone to agree with me on that on the old (long time dead) Feist board.

[lan sam]

Egg and Dunk?? wtf? ::doesn't read Legends II::

[Jacob]

Legends and Legends II are anthology's with short story's/short novells by some of the great fantasy authors of the day. If you haven't picked up Legends you've missed something. If you haven't picked up Legends II...you're excused since it's not released in the US yet.

[Lucas Jin'ra]

Ummm, lan sam, I thought you were a big aSoIaF. Legends is set in Westeros, its a comic also go to the GRRM site to check out his other works.

[lan sam]

No. the Hedge Knight is a comic. This seems like a novel...

[Jacob]

It be both. The Hedge Knight was a novella written for the anthology Legends. This same story is also being adopted into a six volume comic book series by Roaring Studios.

The Sworn Sword is the novella that Martin wrote for Legends II. Same world, same dynamic duo, one year later...

[lan sam]

OOHH. ok.

[lan sam]

this is much too low on the list. :D

[Lady Damodred]

I have read those books and think they are okay...but as for the descriptions that he puts in those books...discusting!!!
I don't consider insest, rape and tourture to make a good book....the man is a complete lunatic!

Thats my opinion, I know alot of you will disagree, but thats how I feel.

[val7]

:eek: :eek: there are other parts of the book than those!

~doesn't remember a rape scene~ :confused:

[lan sam]

Damodred, you obbviously can't handle the truth of what really happened. George RR Martin is not a lunatic, I think you are the crazy one for not accepting the truth


P.S. I'm REALLY hungry, so try not to be confused with that post up there. It's just the rantings ofa hungry person........::rambles on::

[Arianna Sedai]

not sure if anyone noticed, but in case you havent, there's another ch. up on his site, an arya i think...not sure when it was posted, but not too long ago.

[lan sam]

AWHA?!?!?!!? ::goes there::

[lan sam]

oh that was absolutely fabulous. That was just what i needed.

[Jean]

GRRM was part of a chat with Raymond E. Feist 2 days ago sponsored by scifi.com and asimovs.com. I managed to get my hands on a copy of the chat transcript. There are a few highlights throughout, I'll try to go back and place those in bold later, but if you want to read it go here http://www.wotism.net/grrmchat.html

[Jacob]

Originally posted by lan sam
Damodred, you obbviously can't handle the truth of what really happened. George RR Martin is not a lunatic, I think you are the crazy one for not accepting the truth


And that personal insult was warrented because...?

[Death]

um...hello people..just wondering if this series really is all you guys say it is ,cause wot is pretty out of new books and the last wasnt so hot i might ad,i truely love the series but that last really killd my enthusiasm after waiting for so long....i also want to add more books to my colection...which is compleatly fantasy.....if anyone can offer some good books that are worth reading id really apreciate it...thanks

[Jean]

Song of Ice and Fire is an excellent series and worth a read. I'd recommend Robin Hobb and for funnies Terry Pratchett. :)

[Death]

robin hobb??terry pratchett?? who are they and what are there stories like??

[val7]

Robin Hobb: three triologies set in the same world with mostly same characters, wonderful characters with believable actions

aSoIaF: one series, three books so far and one coming soon (hopefully), even better than Hobb. Not as long as WoT, more violence and more sexually descriptive (much more). Wonderful story and characters, but magic doesn't play a huge role in this series

Terry Pratchett: many many books, all set in the Discworld. Very funny quick reads.

[Death]

well thanks val7,im not sure if you know much but,have you ever heard of a series of books called ''the dark jewles''trilogy or something like that...the writer's name started with ''A'' i think,the books themselves were called:daughter of darkness,heir to the darkness and queen of darkness.if any body has any info id apreaciate it..thanks


p.s.does any body know who sara douglas is??and her wayfairer redemtion series??if you do are there really only three,and not the 6 or 7 that it said it was??

[val7]

I've read the three, and I don't think it is 6 or 7. Reading the descriptions, those other books seem to be set in a different world or something. I could be wrong though

[Death]

i thought the same thing,do you know anything about the other ones i said....''the heir to the darkness''?

[val7]

this one? (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0451529014/qid=1075769759/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3/103-1616072-6360642?v=glance&s=books) my friend mentioned it once, but I haven't read them.


~dreams of aFFC~

[lan sam]

Man. I'm dying for the next aSoIaF book.

[Arianna Sedai]

me too

[Dregs]

I started reading A Game of Thrones last week, and I don't know if this has been said before but,

Whats with all the fucking incest?

Other than that, I'm quite enjoying it.

[Arianna Sedai]

its a part of the plot...

edit: sorry, im in bitch mood right now

[Dregs]

I think having a bit of incest in the first couple of chapters wasn't what I was expecting, so therefore shocked me, though the intrigue and double crossing bits later in the novel have pushed that away.

[Byrn]

I thing it was George's way of getting our attention.

[Jean]

The incest was what put me off from wanting to read them at first, but so many people kept telling me to give them a second chance that I did. Once I got to the chapters about Dany, I was hooked.

[lan sam]

oh man. I love those books. And I started a thing at my school, because I made my library buy the series (that's right, I MADE them), and started some people on them. Seriously, my friend read the first two books in 5 days, that's how much he loved them. He prolly could have finished the whole series in a week if SoS was in.

[Dregs]

I wonder if ASoIaF is so good because George isn't frightened to make unsavoury characters likeable or likeable characters die an unappealing death (keeping in mind I have only finished book 1 the other day)

[lan sam]

HAHAHA!!! I lov ehte way eddard dies. It just, happens. hehe ( I will refrain from spoiling anything else)

[Jean]

This has been around for a while, dont' know who's seen it, but here's the cover art for A Feast For Crows:

[Arianna Sedai]

okay... i assume thats supposed to be jamie lannister.
but didn't he loose his sword arm..and wasnt that the right one?

other than that...i really like the cover art for this one. and all of them. :)

edit: sorry if i spoiled something for anyone but spoiler text isnt working for me for some reason...assuming im doing it correctly

[lan sam]

it does look like Jaime with his arm again, with the crappy beard and short hair (:: grumbles:: ). They finally released SoS in the short, fat format (the book is small and fat) and there's a bonus chapter chapter with Cersei. I would've finished it had I not suddenly remembered I hadn't gotten started on my homework or gone on Utopia yet (::grumbles some more:: ).

[Jean]

Maybe he attaches an empty gauntlet to his sword arm to make it appear that he has an arm.

OH, and for people that like spoilers (like me, I have no will power and read all I can find), go to this website: http://pub26.ezboard.com/fasoiaffrm2

[Arianna Sedai]

you're probably right about the gauntlet...and that is such a great/terrible site, i'd been there long ago, but lost the link, so nice to see it again

[Death]

cool pic. never seen it before.....and just for the hell of mentining it i finished the first like a week ago.

[franja]

My brother in law came last month to my place (he lives in U.S and I´m in Uruguay (far south)) and gave me "a game of thrones". I finished it in less than a week. There are no books like SoFaI or WOT here. I´m lost.

[lan sam]

haha. that sucks

[lan sam]

I think this thread needs a serious boost. Come on people, everybody likes ot talk about A Song of Ice ad Fire!
You can all thank me later for reminding you.

[Jean]

What about the theory that Jon is Rhaegar and Lyanna's son? I've believed this since the first book. When Ned is talking to Cersei he thinks of his children:

Ned thought, If it came to that, the life of some child I did not know, against Robb and
Sansa and Arya and Bran and Rickon, what would I do? Even more so, what would
Catelyn do, if it were Jon's life, against the children of her body?

It almost seemed like Jon was an afterthought and I started to wonder why he didn't list Jon with his other children. Then I started looking at all the times Ned made reference to the promise he made to Lyanna.

I also found this: http://members.aol.com/akai292/rhaegar.txt

[lan sam]

wow. I used to think it was ridiculous, but now I completely believe it.
So.....is Ned the only one that knew that Jon was the son of Lyanna and Rhaegar, ro do a lot of people know?

[Jean]

wow. I used to think it was ridiculous, but now I completely believe it.
So.....is Ned the only one that knew that Jon was the son of Lyanna and Rhaegar, ro do a lot of people know?

I think one other person knew, but I can't remember his name. I need to re-read.

[Theoban]

Is it me or is George R R Martin turning into RJ? Apart from them looking similar (Like Dr John) he's taking an age to write A Feast For Crows. I hate series' that aren't finished. I want to know what happens!

[Jean]

I think A Feast For Crows will be the weak link in the series because GRRM didn't plan on writing it. The next book (A Dance For Dragons, I think) was suppose to take place 5 years after A Storm For Swords, but he decided to write a book to fill in those years.

[Aragorn]

I think one other person knew, but I can't remember his name. I need to re-read.

It was that Crannogman leader, but I also forget his name.

And possibly Varys too, since he knows everything that goes on in the kingdom.

[Arianna Sedai]

I think A Feast For Crows will be the weak link in the series because GRRM didn't plan on writing it. The next book (A Dance For Dragons, I think) was suppose to take place 5 years after A Storm For Swords, but he decided to write a book to fill in those years.


wait, so does that mean he's already started (finished?) DfD?

oh, and does anyone know of a comp game type thing of this series, it was advertised in a book store a few yrs back, but stupidly, i didnt buy it, has anyone? is it good? (i asked long ago, but there are more ppl here now.)

[Jean]

I was looking at a GRRM message board, and someone there said that he'd had to change a lot of A Dance For Dragons to accommodate for A Feast For Crows, and that he what he had done for A Dance For Dragons was unusable now. :(

[lan sam]

GOD DAMNDFHSJFSKFH!!! jesus christ, I hate when readers so long to write. I should only read series that have been completed

[FemmeCafe]

I was looking at a GRRM message board, and someone there said that he'd had to change a lot of A Dance For Dragons to accommodate for A Feast For Crows, and that he what he had done for A Dance For Dragons was unusable now. :(

Which message board was this?

[Jean]

It's the one for westeros.org, it's an ezboard forum, so I can't remember the exact url.

Edit: I believe Arianna asked about the Game of Thrones RPG, it was suppose to be released August 2004, but the release date had to be pushed back because GRRM didn't have enough time to work on it while he was writing A Feast for Crows. Here's the link to the publishers info on their forum:
http://www.iguardians.net/boards/showthread.php?p=14150

[lan sam]

everyone on that page is a junior member except for the Admin.......

[Jean]

I didn't notice that before. It IS the publishers site, most people probably just come there for news and to ask a question, atleast that's the way it looks.

On another note, GRRM still hasn't updated his page saying he's finished. I don't see how the book can be released in August if he still hasn't finished it. :(

[FemmeCafe]

On another note, GRRM still hasn't updated his page saying he's finished. I don't see how the book can be released in August if he still hasn't finished it. :(

I doubt it will be released in August since GRRM said on his site not to listen to the supposed release dates that were floating around until he says it's officially done. I noticed Amazon had AFFC scheduled to come out in August and then moved the date up to June...?! That doesn't make sense since he's not done yet; they must just think if they keep a date up there, more people will think it's coming out soon and pre-order it. They've been changing it to a false date ever since it was supposed to come out a couple of Aprils ago.

I wish he would update his site and tell us how close to done it is, though. I keep checking it and hoping...

[Jaric Mondoran]

When George last updated his website on January 3, he said that he had completed 39 chapters of a Feast for Crows. Now, at first glance that looks like a lot of completed chapters, but if I recall correctly, a Storm of Swords had about double that amount of chapters.

That being said, I know that George wants AFFC to be shorter than aSoS, but not much shorter. I would say that we are looking at at least 60 chapters or thereabouts.

If that is the case, then we will have to wait until at least the end of the year before aFFC is released.

That is dissapointing, I know, but you have to bear in mind the difficulties George had to overcome. He was probably halfway through writing A Dance of Dragons before he realized that it was not working. That must have taken him at least six months.

Then, he not only had to chuck all of that hard work into the bin, but he had to rethink his entire plotline and start from scratch.

That cannot be easy at all.

I am very frustrated with the wait, but my consolation is that it will be worth it. I would rather wait an extra year, and then get a book that matches a Storm of Swords in quality, than get something now, which turns out to be below standard.

A Song of Ice and Fire is an exquisite demonstration of the art of writing at its absolute best.

I get excited just thinking about the next book. In the meantime, I will while away my time with lesser series, like the Wheel of Time.

The biggest problem for me, is resisting the temptation to read some of the sample chapters that have been published on his website. It is a daily struggle, but so far I have stood firm. While it may satisfy a temporary urge, it will just lessen the enjoyment of reading the end product as a whole...

Go George, we know you can do it!

[Arianna Sedai]

applauds Jaric's post, nicely put.


not sure if this RPG is what i saw, it was at least 2 yrs ago, and they were advertising it free (I think) with the purchase preorder of the next book, which was the 2nd i believe. however, this was a while back, so not sure if it is the same thing, but there has been no evidence to show that there is another game, so i guess it must be the same thing. oh well.

[Ayrin]

Holy ****!! you're still at it? I read the first page, and then just happened to jump to the last one, and could not make out any difference in the discussion... The only reason I realized I had missed a hell of a lot of pages was the pagenumber...

But I do agree with you aSoIaF is an extremely good series!! I was rather shocked when GRRM killed Ned, and then searched frantically for signs of revival... Can't say how happy I was when they didn't come :). *Loves authors who actually kills main characters*

[lan sam]

i loved Ned's death. WHich is weird, because he revived Catelyn.......

[Matt Brown]

hey

[Matt Brown]

is a song of ice and fire too complicated

[Arianna Sedai]

heh, i don't think its any more complicated than most other series of the same genre, though by the time the next comes out, i will have forgotten half the events.

but this really is one of the best, i'd stick with it were i you. (that is assuming you're reading it and assuming you havent already finished reading it)

[lan sam]

hey

wtf? This is why I hate n00bs.

[FemmeCafe]

GRRM posted an update on A Feast for Crows... Still not done yet, though, unfortunately.

It's nice to see an update on how it's going, though.

He added to the sample chapters as well. I'm trying not to read them because I don't want to know what's going on before the whole book is out, but it's hard not to...

[Jean]

A Cersei chapter! *reads*

For those that also want to read: http://www.georgerrmartin.com/chapter.html

I also read that the 6 issues The Hedge Knight are going to be released in trade paperback. It'll have the complete story plus "extras."

[Jaric Mondoran]

Cersei!

I hate that b*tch. I hope the Dothraki capture her and make her a camp follower. You know what camp followers have to do for the soldiers...

Anyway, in January, George said that 39 chapters were complete.

Now its 49, so I reckon we are looking at the end of the year. Maybe a Christmas publication, or early next year.

*Sigh*

I still refuse to read the sample chapters however. It will definitely spoil the book, if you know what happens in a chapter 200 pages later, for example.

[FemmeCafe]

I still refuse to read the sample chapters however. It will definitely spoil the book, if you know what happens in a chapter 200 pages later, for example.

I agree that it would take away from some of the enjoyment of the book, but it's hard not to read them.

I hope your publication date estimation isn't too far off. It's a lot sooner than I was imagining it might be done. Maybe it just worried me a little that GRRM kept referring to authors who took ten years or longer to write sequels.

[Jaric Mondoran]

Maybe it just worried me a little that GRRM kept referring to authors who took ten years or longer to write sequels.

I think he just did that, because it has already been about 4 years or so since the last book.

Look, he said that FEAST was already longer than a Game of Thrones and a Clash of Kings.

It would be difficult to have a book longer than Storm of Swords, that one already had to be split in two.

Also, he says 6 more chapters are almost done, with 12 more partly done.

If you add 18 to 48, you get to 66 chapters already. He also said that there is one character who he has done almost nothing with yet. So, how many chapters would one character get in a book? About 10?

So in total we're looking at about, what, 80 chapters.

Mhmm... maybe middle of next year then. But his publishers are pressing him, plus he said himself that he doesn't get paid until the book is published, so I am sure he is doing his best to finish it.

I'd rather wait, because I reckon Feast is going to be even better than the last one!

And besides...I love long books. The longer the better. You know how action packed his books are. So in just a Feast for Crows, there will probably be more action than the entire Wheel of Time. Hell, his Prologue will probably have more action than the whole Crossroads of Twilight!

[FemmeCafe]

I think he just did that, because it has already been about 4 years or so since the last book.

I think he probably did it so the wait wouldn't seem so bad in comparison, or to let us know that good books require a lot of time. I was mostly joking about that worrying me; I doubt it will take ten years to complete. I was thinking maybe one or two more years.

And I definitely agree that it will be worth the wait. I'd much rather wait a while for a truly exceptional book than wait not quite as long for a book that's not quite as good as the rest. I can't believe he's gotten so many emails from people complaining about his doing other things besides writing the book. That's just incredibly rude.

Look, he said that FEAST was already longer than a Game of Thrones and a Clash of Kings.

It would be difficult to have a book longer than Storm of Swords, that one already had to be split in two.

Didn't he say it was longer than A Game of Thrones and he expected it to be longer than A Clash of Kings? I thought I had heard at one point that it would be longer than A Storm of Swords, but it sounds like nobody actually knew that, particularly the author himself. (It wasn't split into two books in the US although I was surprised it didn't have to be.) I think he said he hopes it won't be longer than that, but it depends on where the story ends up going as he writes it.

Your assessment sounds reasonable, though. Maybe it will be out by the end of the year. It would be nice; I tend to think it will be longer, though. Things normally take longer than you would expect, it seems.

And besides...I love long books. The longer the better. You know how action packed his books are. So in just a Feast for Crows, there will probably be more action than the entire Wheel of Time. Hell, his Prologue will probably have more action than the whole Crossroads of Twilight!

I know, it will probably even make the last book in the series look slow in comparison! I definitely think it will be great and well worth the wait, I'm just still impatient, especially when I really want to read the sample chapters but know I'll be sorry later if I do. I do believe he's doing his best with it and that he should take his time if it means the book is as good as the rest of the series.

[Jaric Mondoran]

I'm just still impatient, especially when I really want to read the sample chapters but know I'll be sorry later if I do

I know, it is a daily struggle for me too. But think of it this way. George is probably only posting those sample chapters because his publishers are pressing him for time, and he needs to find some way to soothe the impatient fans.

He knows that it will probably lessen the enjoyment for the ones who actually read these sample chapters, but he realizes that they will still buy the book. He is not forcing them to read it, it is their own choice. So if I go and read an Arya chapter, I have only myself to blame when I buy the book, and I have to skip that chapter.

You see, unlike in the Wheel of Time, I actually want to read every chapter of Martin's books. Hell, I want to read every chapter twice!

Anyway, what I do, is I totally put aSOIAF out of my mind for a few months, and stick to other books. Then, when I have forgotten some of the details, I read the whole series again. Every time it gets me like the first time. What a great, great series.

Also, I don't join any discussion forums on ASOIAF, because I don't want to spoil the wonderful read. Unlike WOT, Martin's books rely less on pure facts, and much more on characters, and emotions.

Have you ever hated a character like you hate Cersei? Or felt as sad as when Eddard died?

And Arya is my favourite character of all, even though I usually struggle to identify with female characters. Arya is probably my favourite character of all time.

Remember when Jon and Rob tried to scare her and Rickon in the tombs below Winterfell?

Jon covered himself with white flower and jumped from the open tomb of one of the old Kings of Winter.

Rickon started crying, but Arya only smacked Jon on the arm and said.

"That's not a ghost, its just Jon covered in flour! Stop it ,you stupid, you are scaring the baby!"

And Arya herself was only about 5 years old at the time. Scarcely more than a baby herself!

She is just wonderful...

I love the Starks like they were my own family, that's how real Martin makes his characters.

[lan sam]

I wonder if it's the sample chapter in the back of the paperback version of SoS
EDit: yup. but I never finished that anyways.
Kevan is so awesome I'm in disbelief. I also like to see Cersei put in her place.

[Jaric Mondoran]

If you are referring to Kevan Lannister, I am really disappointed that you have revealed one of the new viewpoint characters.

If you are simply referring to a Cersei chapter, I wish you would put a spoiler warning before revealing details of chapters from A Feast for Crows.

Some of us have tried not to read parts of the book before it is published. Please do not spoil it for us by making comments on events that, as far as we are concerned, have not yet happened.

[lan sam]

meh. I'd rather not jsut because 2 people are afraid that a chapter early on in the book will spoil it.
Besides I didn't even spoil anything. People have been putting Cersei in her place for the entire series, they just haven't done it very much lately.

Howeverm out of the kindness of my heart and the experience of having parts of books spoiled I will apologize for that and from now on I will not spoil anything in a Feast for Crows until I'm done reading the whole book.

[FemmeCafe]

Don't worry about it on my behalf because what you said was so vague that it didn't bother me or spoil anything as far as I'm concerned.

[Ned Stark]

just wanted to say that i haven't read all 15 pages of this post so if i repeat something please bare with me

I am a huge fan of Martin but right now i am doubting him finishing the book before the end of the year. But if anyone is going to Odyssey or TorCon plz ask him for me. On the series though it was incredible the ending of SoS was really mindblowing. As was the red wedding, siege of castle black, the kings wedding, and the entire arya stark section. Some things i didn't like was was all of bran and the end of danny's section. The one thing that worry's me though is Jon Snow and Sam Tarly. Not since a game of thrones have two viewpoints been this close together so i'm fearing either death or some serious event breaking them apart.
***Spoiler for people who haven't read sample chapters
The next book is going to be totaly awesome. Arya as i see it is now officially in training to bea priest/assasin of the many faced god. Ceresei is getting shot down at every turn and is about 2 chapters away frmm being killed. I heard that there was a danny chapter but unfortunately i missed it and now it's gone.

[lan sam]

if you do a "slow" post, and if you click the little "?" box in the post options you can hide spoilers for people who are too lazy to read everything. Mess around with it and you should get it pretty soon

anyways, Arya won't become a priestess, she'll meet up with Deanerys or Tyrion and then stuff'll happen. THough GRRM has been known to surprise (heh heh). I guess we'll all jsut have to fork ove rsome dough in 1/2 a year and find out.

[Arianna Sedai]

he's getting closer, so it seems. i'm just reading other stuff, then when he announces he's done (or close enough) i'll reread the whole thing again in prep. till then i shall wait patiently.

oh, and i found the game i was talking about, actually it was a board game (surprisingly) but it is supposedly like a more complicated version of risk so i'm gonna stick to the ccg. meh, at least i don't have to keep wondering what it was.

[FemmeCafe]

he's getting closer, so it seems. i'm just reading other stuff, then when he announces he's done (or close enough) i'll reread the whole thing again in prep. till then i shall wait patiently.

That's exactly what I plan to do. I want to reread them, and I definitely need to before the next one comes out or I'm going to be confused about who some of the more minor characters are and some of the details of what happened.

oh, and i found the game i was talking about, actually it was a board game (surprisingly) but it is supposedly like a more complicated version of risk so i'm gonna stick to the ccg. meh, at least i don't have to keep wondering what it was.

They have a Game of Thrones card game, too, if I remember correctly. I saw one or two Song of Ice and Fire games in a game store once.

Aren't they supposed to be making an MMORPG out of the series? I thought I read that a couple of times.

[Arianna Sedai]

the company says its going to make an RPG 'of some sort' but they've been saying this for years (apperantly, i just heard this last week from someone who knew more about it) so we're not sure if/when that will happen. the only thing i'm really sure of is that a board game (similar to risk) the ccg exist.

if you're interested the official site is www.agameofthrones.com which has (mainly) the ccg n a little other stuff associated with the series.

[lan sam]

meh. Card game. meh

I seriosuly will piss my pants with excitement (<_<) when the next book comes out. omg I can NOT WAIT.

[Arianna Sedai]

mleh, it's already been a while, it'll be a while. we'll all just have to wait patiently.

[IceSt0rm]

Well I would love an rpg...I saw the board game about a half a year ago at the wizards of the coast store in my local mall. I seriously considered picking it up. I just can't wait for the next book...I need something to tide me over. I actually got into the WoT series because I was so ravenous for more GRRM. Now I am starting Wizard's First Rule...I simply must have A Feast for Crows as soon as possible or there wont be anything left for me to read!

[Arianna Sedai]

lol, that's exactly what i do ice, i read other series to bide my time waiting for this next book. an rpg would so rock, and i'm hoping that'll happen sometime soon ~crossing my fingers~ i did wanna buy the board game just to have something related to the series, but it was like 50 bucks, which i don't have to spend on something like risk (which i already own) especiially sence i don't have anyone who's read the series to play it with.

oh, i found a book the other day of GRRM's earlier scifi stuff (a collect of shorts) and they're pretty good for keeping me occupied for the time, in addition to other stuff.

[lan sam]

Has anybody here been keeping up on The Hedge Knight?

[lan sam]

yeah I'm pretty sure.

[Amberly]

I read that novela in legends and I didnt like it.. thats why it took me so long to start reading asoiaf.... now I wish I had started earlier I love this series!!! I cant decide who is my favorite character so far.. its either Jon or Arya.... I think I'm partial to Arya because she uses my name (spelled differently) as one of her fake names in aCoK

[magatsu17]

I read that novela in legends and I didnt like it.. thats why it took me so long to start reading asoiaf.... now I wish I had started earlier I love this series!!! I cant decide who is my favorite character so far.. its either Jon or Arya.... I think I'm partial to Arya because she uses my name (spelled differently) as one of her fake names in aCoK
My favorite characters are Rob and Jon Snow. Rob is my favorite character in the story so far. Though Jon runs a close second , and me and him share a name also with different spelling. Arya is really cool also. Tyrone Lanister is up there also though.

[Jaric Mondoran]

I think I'm partial to Arya because she uses my name (spelled differently) as one of her fake names in aCoK

Amberley, I hope your name is not Weasel...

That was just a little joke.

Yes, Arya is my favourite too.

She refuses to be a victim. I hate victim mentality.

[FemmeCafe]

I can't decide if I like Jon, Tyrion, or Arya the best. Whenever I think I've figured it out, I read one of the other character's chapters and then realize I have no idea after all.

[Byrn]

Well, Robb was my favorite. I didn't see that freight train coming. Jon and Bran are my current favorites.

[lan sam]

I remember i made a reflections about my journey through aSoIaF. i did it at the end of each book and the middle of CoK. It never got many posts....

[Vashna]

Just finished reading the books, I meant to do a couple of things last week but I was so caught up in the books that I couldn't stop. I agree they are great books, but I did kinda see the wedding incident coming, as Robb disappeared for a while.

Definately going to buy the next book, hope he doesn't do anything nasty with too many of the remaining characters. Arya is my favorite, not afraid to get her hands dirty, shame about the overall lack of intelligence in that family though.

[Amberly]

I think I'm partial to Arya because she uses my name (spelled differently) as one of her fake names in aCoK

Amberley, I hope your name is not Weasel...

That was just a little joke.

Yes, Arya is my favourite too.

She refuses to be a victim. I hate victim mentality.

Arry... Ayre is my real name :cheers:

[magatsu17]

I've lost a lot of my passion for this series. My favorite characters in the whole series are Ned Stark, and Rob Stark. I still think the currently the best series out there, But I'm still pretty pissed about how things have happened in the series.

[lan sam]

dont worry. After a couple of months wait, you'll realize how awesome those deaths were. I wonder what happened to Osha and Rickon. She wouldn't really know how to take care of a baby very well......

[Vashna]

Rickons about 5ish now (i think) so he isn't exactly a baby

[Amberly]

5ish is still a baby... I dont know many 5 year olds who can take care of themselves...

[magatsu17]

dont worry. After a couple of months wait, you'll realize how awesome those deaths were. I wonder what happened to Osha and Rickon. She wouldn't really know how to take care of a baby very well......
The only reason I kept reading after Ned died was that I was sure he'd come back. When he did Rob became real sweet and also my favorite character. With him gone I was able to keep reading cause of Tyrone,Arya, Jon Snow, and Jamie Lanister who I grew fond of. They are all good characters but still not as Cool as Ned or Rob. I also find myself unable to reread the series cause of what happened to Ned and Robb.

[Amberly]

I dont like Jon anymore.... but I decided that I really like Jamie.. he just doesnt care what anyone thinks of him.. he just wants to be with his sister

[lan sam]

yeah. The lannister bros are cool. And so is the uncle from what I've read on the site.
Jon is very cool, the whole 999th (or is it 998th) Commander of the Watch thing makes me a bit nervous.

[Vashna]

edit, removed some info which spoiled the books despite the fact several others mentioned it before me.

[Jaric Mondoran]

Would you prefer it if no one ever dies?


Like in a certain other, childish series, that I won't name right now?

[lan sam]

i like the realism in this story. Yes, the mass amount of deaths is realistic. If one will look back at this story (in this world) all those deaths are nothign more than a bleep in the long run of this story, even though they all greatly change the story

I prolly made no sense there, but that's cause I'm tirednnm nm (=my head falling on the keyboard) nbn v m,

[FemmeCafe]

I also like how realistic the story is. The characters all have their strengths and weaknesses; most are not clearly "good" or "bad." They each come across as people with distinct personalities and motivations. Sometimes the people who don't deserve to die do. All the characters influence the world -- there is no one special character who drives events but all the characters' lives and actions work together to influence the world they live in.

[Arianna Sedai]

exactly!! that is precisely what makes the series so wonderful. its a narrative of events which could actually happen (despite the fantasy genre) yeah, okay, i'm really tired and not making sence, so i'll collect my thoughts and sleep and try again later.