Best fighter?

[red shield]

This is sort of a continuation of an earlier thread I read concerning who, of Gawyn, Galad, Lan, and Rand, is the best swordsman. Well, who do you think is the best fighter (neglecting ability in/use of the one power)?
I think Rand, because he has learned the sword from Lan and thes spears and Aiel way of fighting with hands & feet from Rhuarc. Plus, we have seen how deadly he is even among skilled fighters, such as when he killed two warders in LoC. Mat, on the other hand, is pretty damn crafty with his spear, and he beat Gawyn AND Galad at the same time while he was still recovering from the weariness of getting from his dagger.

[val7]

Hi red shield.

Rand is the best because he can fight in a lot of different ways: archery, sword, channeling, hand to hand, and lots of other stuff. But he has soldiers who can do the non-channeling fighting. And soldiers who can do the channeling. So he doesn't need to be any good.

[Lasmith]

But Mat can fight really well with a quarterstaff/spear type weapon, daggers, and is almost as good as rand with the bow. He also has a ter'angreal to protect him from the one power, has other people's memories to carry him over in battle. And has extremely good luck when it counts.

Mat could kick Rand's behind one on one easy as pie.

[Warder Trained]

Lan can do anything Rand can, and better. Lan was described as the only non-Two Rivers man who could use a longbow. Also, remember that Lan also knew something of the Aiel way of fighting, and that he would join Rand in practicing with Rhuarc. Anyway, the Aiel don't have a monopoly in unarmed fighting. Berelain, of all people, demonstrated some jujitsu on Faile. I'm sure the Borderlanders are familiar with a wide range of fighting techniques. One trained like no other, in particular, would be able to handle himself with any weapon available, or none.

[val7]

Lan can't do everything Rand can. Lan can't channel. Rand has the widest range of fighting abilities.

[GWINNA]

Rand just kicks ass he was kicking ass before he knew how to kick ass.

[supuradam]

chanelling aside, i'd have to say that i'm the best fighter. i mean, i'm.. well.. i'm adam. so there :p

[GWINNA]

oh yeah well I can make nuclear bombs out of vaccum cleaner parts, c4, and some radioactive material, so that means I'm the best fighter!
How to make and H-bomb! (http://my.ohio.voyager.net/%7Edionisio/fun/make-your-own-h-bomb.html)

[Uthanatos]

Originally posted by Lasmith
But Mat can fight really well with a quarterstaff/spear type weapon, daggers, and is almost as good as rand with the bow. He also has a ter'angreal to protect him from the one power, has other people's memories to carry him over in battle. And has extremely good luck when it counts.

Mat could kick Rand's behind one on one easy as pie.


not true, rand could rape mat with the one power. The Ter'Angreal protects him from flows directed at him, not from results of the flows. for instance, did his fox head protect him from the bolt of lightning that Rhavin sent in TFoH? nope sure didn't.


ZAAAAAAAAAAAAP mat's dead, rand wins end of story.

[Warder Trained]

I thought we were going to keep channeling out of this.

[val7]

You can't really keep channeling out of this because Rand prefers his weapons to be made of saidin.

[red shield]

Rand only kills with the power when he must. Remember he was planning on killing Couladin with his non-One Power sword in tFoH, except Mat got him before Rand could.

[Beowulf]

I'd just like to say I voted for mat as the poll says best fighter, not swordsman or other such nonsense. :)

[Uthanatos]

the poll isn't really specific enough. I mean in any contest rand would probably win from those listed. like I said above.


ZAAAAAAAAAAAAP they're all dead :rolleyes:

if you refined the question a little bit it would be better

[Cypher]

well, if u read the first post, then u'd feel the jist of things. in order to make a poll, one must make a post.

so, that post always goes with the poll, and it says no One Power shit.

[GWINNA]

Still think rand would win, Lan may have won in his youth but he's slowed down a little and Rand killed two armed swordsmen while bound, after bing beaten and stuffed in a box for several days.

[Warder Trained]

Old age and treachery - I'll go with Lan. Time hasn't slowed him a bit. I'm still standing by the Jearom argument against Rand ("Do you think you'll live long enough to equal the greatest swordsman who ever lived?").

And whatever unarmed fighting Rand's picked up over the past couple of years, I'm sure Lan's been practicing the same for decades.

I also really think that we should stick by the parameters set by the original post. No channeling. Otherwise, by One Power rules we'll have to say that even someone like Asmodean's a better fighter than Lan.

[wingo]

You keep the one power out of this, and i'll keep this (*makes pelvic thrust movement*) out of the one power.

[Illustrious]

Dang people . . . don't you pay any attention to how Jordan is always describing just how tremendous Loial is. Any Ogier (females included) could break any human warrior like a twig.

[val7]

...Unless that person had a bow and shot them. Or if they were skilled with spears/pikes. Or really really good with a sword.

[Illustrious]

Is archery actually considered combat?
As to a pike . . . I suppose an adept pikemen would simply drive the Ogier through. However, that would require a lengthy pike: maybe about 12 feet. Besides, none of the characters we can vote for ever weild a pike. They all employ swords or short spears. There is no way by which you can convince me a sword or a short spear (or an ashandarei) could ever do any good againt someone weighing in at around 500 lbs. and standing a good 8 feet tall. Especially if that enormous individual is using a halerd like a woodaxe.

[archely]

I think that you are also assuming that the Ogier in question actually knows what they are doing with the axe. Loial has some skill apparently. However, I doubt Erith would be able to defeat a moderately skilled soldier, just because she wouldn't know how to wield her weapon. The size may make them stronger, but it also makes them a larger target, and probably on average slower as well.

[val7]

And none of the Ogier we know (except maybe Loial) would want to fight. The Seanchan Ogier would be dangerous, and they could probably defeat any non-channeler.

[talyn rahl]

I think that Gawyn is the best fighter because if you remember he killed Hammar gaidan and hammar gaidan was the best warder at the white tower therefore hes stronger than all of them but if not him then Lan then Rand

[GWINNA]

well I think it safe to say that the only way any of us are going to beat any of them in a fight is if we have guns. Lotsa guns.

[frolic]

What I find very disturbing is that Perrin is so good with the axe that he can beat trained soldiers even thought he's only a blacksmith... very unlikley...

/David

[Illustrious]

It's "Ta'veren" power . . .

[sven]

the old blood sings

[talyn rahl]

yeah but in that case wouldn't Rand be the best fighter coz hes got Ta'varen power AND training AND natural skill?

[GWINNA]

Perrin has the instict of a wolf too, so it makes him more dangerous.

[Lasmith]

Warder Trained: Trying to shove into my catch phrase are you all well. But in truely spoken words old age and treachery will overcome youth and skill, and who has the greatest ability in old age and treachery?

That is right Thom...he could kill them all with his daggers before they even knew what hit them.

[Warder Trained]

It's a nice phrase, though it's probably older than ten times our ages put together.

Thom's better at the Game, really. He'd probably rather engineer a war that'll catch all of them in between and through it have them all killed in battle rather than soil his own hands.

Of course, Aes Sedai invented Daes Dae'mar.

[GWINNA]

How do we know that Thom isn't manipulating everything! He's going to make it all happen such that he ends up ruler of the world!

[Warder Trained]

Yeah, you know that conversation he had with Elayne just after they left port at Tear? He said that perhaps the hero people would remember in stories wouldn't be Rand Al'Thor, but Thom Merrilin. Not a simple gleeman who swallows fire, but one who breaths fire and topples mountains or some such.

That would be one of Jordan's uses of foreshadowing. Thom will turn out to be the Chosen One of the Creator who seals up the Dark One and wins Tarmon Gai'don.

The series is really about him, the Gray Fox, not about some shepherd made crazy and hung up on delusions of grandeur by the taint on saidin.

This is a joke, by the way. :dozey:

[GWINNA]

Originally posted by Warder Trained
Yeah, you know that conversation he had with Elayne just after they left port at Tear? He said that perhaps the hero people would remember in stories wouldn't be Rand Al'Thor, but Thom Merrilin. Not a simple gleeman who swallows fire, but one who breaths fire and topples mountains or some such.

That would be one of Jordan's uses of foreshadowing. Thom will turn out to be the Chosen One of the Creator who seals up the Dark One and wins Tarmon Gai'don.

The series is really about him, the Gray Fox, not about some shepherd made crazy and hung up on delusions of grandeur by the taint on saidin.

This is a joke, by the way. :dozey:
Well I think it would be funny if we see one of those poems about Thom from a future age, not anything over done, it would be rather humorus.