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flyingdutchman
16th December 2001, 17:09
Why the hell didn't the gholam just dodge the medallion? Are there limit's to it's speed?

here's my ExtraOrdinary Theory (TM): remember when some forsaken thought about myrddraal? according to Aginor they were out of phase with reality. I think it's the same with mat's ter'angreal and the gholam. The myrddraal & gholam are so fast because they can see something coming before it comes. EXCEPT things that are also out of phase!

Hmm, has anyone thought about this before? Havn't seen any.

But that means.....

Yesss a brand new subject!

It probably has something to do with True Power as well.

Can it be that I uncovered the Holy Grale of WOT(TM) ?

balefire
17th December 2001, 01:30
The only out-of-phase things to date are Myrddraal & Darkhounds, because Aginor somehow imbued them with that property. And no one else knows how to do that because genetic engineering is lost in this Age.

Pope Trevor
17th December 2001, 01:56
Aginor created the Gholem too, so he could have made it out of phase with realitiy as well.

It makes sense, since it moves so fast. it can also fit through tiny cracks in walls and the such.

And FDM, while finding the Holy Grail is important, finding the Holy Ale is much more important.:D

flyingdutchman
17th December 2001, 04:14
Indeed!

Forward, brave knights, on a quest for the Holy Ale!

Actually, any ale at all will do....

balefire
17th December 2001, 06:14
Originally posted by Pope Trevor
Aginor created the Gholem too, so he could have made it out of phase with realitiy as well.

It makes sense, since it moves so fast. it can also fit through tiny cracks in walls and the such.

There's nothing which shows us gholam have out-of-phase properties. Being very flexible doesn't imply they're slightly out of the Pattern. Being out-of-phase means they're not affected by certain things, just as Myrddraal cloaks are unaffected by wind, since the cloaks are not entirely in this reality.

flyingdutchman
17th December 2001, 15:15
that's what I tried to explain in the first post! If myrddraal can be out of phase, why not other things?

balefire
17th December 2001, 23:39
Originally posted by flyingdutchman
that's what I tried to explain in the first post! If myrddraal can be out of phase, why not other things?

Conceivably Aginor made all sorts of weird things that are out-of-phase, but no evidence so far besides the aforementioned Myrddraal & Darkhounds.

Mann
22nd December 2001, 21:24
I think FDM's implying to be out of phase would explain the gholams properties and those of the ter'angreal as well. Whilst Beowolfs saying there's other possible interpretations/explanation. Incidentally the 'finns are out of phase aswell and so are the crosshatched realities of the lace of worlds.

magatsu17
24th December 2001, 21:26
You forget one thing, Myddraal where an aceedental find. There are Trolloc breeders, and some times the breeds are more human and sometimes there more animal. The more animal always die, but the more human are Myddraal. Aginor didn't created them on acceident, not on porpose. But Myddraal are the coolest evil thing in Randland. Jumping from shadow to shadow, wind not touching their cloaks, and jet black swords that make wounds only Aes Sedai can heal.

balefire
25th December 2001, 00:06
Originally posted by magatsu17
You forget one thing, Myddraal where an aceedental find. There are Trolloc breeders, and some times the breeds are more human and sometimes there more animal. The more animal always die, but the more human are Myddraal. Aginor didn't created them on acceident, not on porpose.

That's why only Myrddraal & Darkhounds are out of phase. Aginor didn't make them that way on purpose; even he didn't know how Myrddraal do their shadow-teleporting thing. This is 1 point some people don't get.

Alright, as of now I'm staying off this thread. I don't feel like arguing anymore over the out of phase phenomenon or anything else for that matter.