Qs on Far Madding (sp?)

[freak2tc]

hi i'm a newbe here so don't get mad if it has alredy been asked.
in WH at Far Madding Verin is talking about the "guardians" and she says it detects anyone channeling and while they are watching somone chanels.

1) i thought you could only channel if you had a Well?

2) if Far Madding didn't know about Wells then how would the know that it detected channeling? how would they know to have people watch it to see.


freak2tc

[WiseWisdom]

I didn't quite understand this too. Is it possible to channel in Far Madding, just with difficulties? Didn't one of the bonded Ashaman channel in the city? I remember one of the AS sending one off and then the detector detecting channeling. Or does it detect channeling outside the city?


*confused*

[Elin]

As I understood it, the ter'angreal detects channeling both inside and outside. The location is pinpointed by triangulation (i e one detector points one way, the other a slightly different way as it's in another location, then one can calculate where the channeling must have been by trigonometry. Three detectors are needed, in case the channeling is exactly in line with the first two detectors. Hmm, he did have three detectors, right?) The detection might be weaker the further away the channeling is (one would need to know how if it decreased linearly with distance, or with the square of the distance, etc), so with this information plus knowing the distance one might also calculate how much of the power was channeled.

They'd need to know some math, right? :) I should reread this part - did the ter'angreal give them just the raw data and let them calculate by themselves, or was it like a computer and processed the data too...?

[Urbal T]

From what I understand, it does indeed detect inside and outside of the city. It has different markings for Saidar and Saidin, and has limited accuracy (there are individual lines that become colored, as opposed to a line appearing on a solid color). It doesn't detect the amount, and the detection is the same for all distances, although the further away, the less accurate it will become. Actually, you don't need trig to do triangulation, trig just makes it easier -- you could just take the three points, draw lines out, and find where they intersect. That would give you either a point (if you have infinite accuracy) or a triangle, and that's where the channelling took place (the triangle would give you the area in which the channeling took place because of the limited accuracy).

[Jacob]

Yea needed the Well to channel inside/close to Far Madding because through those Ter'angreal that they use, an artificial stedding (of sorts) is created. Hmm....I wonder though, is that really done with the One Power, or is it done with the True Power?! How could something that NEED's the power to work (a ter'angreal) still work if it blocks the source even miles away from it?? As it isn't a stedding, it actually sounds more like what Shaidar Haran is doing from time to time and he's using (I presume) the True Power rather than the One Power.

[Buckweet]

If I remember correctly there was someone who sat by the power blocker ter'angreal and ran to a chart to see where the thing triangulated. Also I remember Cadsuane saying something to Nynaeve like..."The ter'angreal can sense channeling ouitside the city...but it NEVER has detected channeling INSIDE far madding...."


Plus, yea it does say wether its a guy or gal channeling....different color floating disc thing (black or red??)

As for how can a ter'angreal driven by the power not allow power to be used in the area...sort of a double negative

maybe randlandian channelers access the power through a certain frequancy range and that range is specifically staurated/blocked.... The ter'angrea prob uses some other frequency that is not blocked. This kinda makes sense with the wells working in the city tooo...


whew...me fingers hurt....g'night


Buckweet

[Elin]

Hmm... seems weird to me that the detection would be the same for all distances. Wouldn't it just constantly point to the direction of Tar Valon (there's bound to be people channeling there pretty much all the time)? Or maybe it has a limited range...

[Mithrandir]

Originally posted by Elin
Hmm... seems weird to me that the detection would be the same for all distances. Wouldn't it just constantly point to the direction of Tar Valon (there's bound to be people channeling there pretty much all the time)? Or maybe it has a limited range...

I agree it must have a limit otherwise 3 ladies aren't enough cause all the sisters in Randland and further use the Power to do stuff, so they would be all day busy looking where somebody was warming her tea water and that sort of stuff

[freak2tc]

it has a limit but i think it is sorta a cut off point so disstance doesn't matterso it only covers so many miles but in that area the detection would be the same.

[supuradam]

As for how can a ter'angreal driven by the power not allow power to be used in the area...sort of a double negative
not sure if it's the same thing, but it's kind of close. isn't mat's medallion a ter'angreal of sorts? i remember elayne was all weirded out over it. and maybe that's why it hurt the golem, but that's another thread in it's own. not to state the obvious, but the reason i say this is that the medallion blocks the power, but ter'angreal are all created by using the power. and it doesn't have to have the power channeled into it to work, kind of like the ter'angreal verin gave egwene to access T'A'R.

[NOuseFORaNAME]

Originally posted by WiseWisdom
I didn't quite understand this too. Is it possible to channel in Far Madding, just with difficulties? Didn't one of the bonded Ashaman channel in the city? I remember one of the AS sending one off and then the detector detecting channeling. Or does it detect channeling outside the city?

The Asha'man didn't channel. Cadsuane and Nynaeve channeled with their wells making it seem that the Asha'man did. What I don't understand is this, the plan was to make it seem that the Asha'man did the channeling, but wouldnt the detector show a Woman channeling Saidar?

Originally posted by supuradam
not sure if it's the same thing, but it's kind of close. isn't mat's medallion a ter'angreal of sorts? i remember elayne was all weirded out over it. and maybe that's why it hurt the golem, but that's another thread in it's own. not to state the obvious, but the reason i say this is that the medallion blocks the power, but ter'angreal are all created by using the power. and it doesn't have to have the power channeled into it to work, kind of like the ter'angreal verin gave egwene to access T'A'R.

Exactly, just like some ter'angreals can be used by people that can't even wield the OP.

The ter'angreal in Far madding was made during the breaking, people afraid of being destroyed by male channelers. So I think the Aes Sedai that made it couldn't just block the Male half of the OP, it was either all or nothing. Atleast that's what I think. Why else would they cut off their half of the power?

[val7]

Why is everybody resurrecting dead threads??? :confused:

[NOuseFORaNAME]

Not everybody, I think it's just me. Sorry, I'm new and missed out on everything and while i've been "lurking" around for about a month, things seemed to get pretty slow and thought I would bring back some stuff to talk about. If you all want me to stop...then petition, I'm asking for atleast 50 signatures. :)

[Lews Therin]

Originally posted by NOuseFORaNAME
What I don't understand is this, the plan was to make it seem that the Asha'man did the channeling, but wouldnt the detector show a Woman channeling Saidar?

Yes, but they did it to persuade the Counsels to free Rand at that moment, without much hesitation, and by the time the Counsels found out the Asha'man didn't channel, Rand and everybody would be long gone from Far Madding.

[NOuseFORaNAME]

That's what I figured when I was typing that, but I thought they were there a while longer because they wrote that note for them.

[Lews Therin]

Yes, but I'm sure it took a while for the people who watch the guardians to tell the Counsels...and they were all too scared to object to Cadsuane anyway.

[isaac]

Going off on a different track, it seemed odd to me that Cadsuane did the thing with the well instead of simply pointing out that if they didn't let Rand out they might find the armies of Illian, Tear Cairhien, Ghealdan, Mayene, Andor and about a billion Aiel sitting on their doorstep. Not to mention Egwene. The guys got friends and some of them might get angry.

And the borderland rulers might not be all that impressed with Lan being locked up either.

[epiph]

that's good point...but that sort of pressure would take longer, and they needed to get rand out RIGHT THEN, because min could feel him getting harder and harder, which is exactly what cadsuane DIDN'T want.