Enemy Hideouts: Overview

[Abraxas77]

Okay, it is obvious that the conclusion to the WoT is near. So let's see where Rand's enemies are. According to prophecy, the Last Battle will be (if I interpeted correctly) the North and East on Rand's Side and the South and West in the shadow. Keeping that in mind, I want an APB out on all the Forsaken (and other evils).

Be'lal - killed by balefire. Out for good.
Rahvin - killed by balefire. Out for good.
Lanfear - now known as Cyndane -- Moridin holds her Mindtrap.
Moghedien - Moridin holds her mind trap.
Asmondean - killed by ??? --DO said he's out for good.
Greandal - I say is Seanchan, Alliandre, or both -- Moridin most likely holds her Mindtrap.
Damendred - I say is Masema, but is somewhere in the South--at least he's done stuff in the South.
Semihage - Everyone says Tuon's advisor (what's her face, starts with an A). With Mat??
Bathemel - Known as Osen'gar (or was it Aran'gar--err I allways mix those two up) was an Asha'man, now dead. How did he die? I forgot.
Aginor - AKA: Aran'gar, Halima. She/He's with Egwene. Now outside Tar Valon.
Massana - Supposedly in the White Tower.
Ishmael - killed by Rand, is now Moridin. Nae'Blis
Sammeal - an unclear death by Mashidar in Shadar Logoth. He really just dissapeared. He may even be alive.
Padin Fain AKA: Mordeth, Ordieth... I don't remember if he was mentioned in WH or not (man, I've nearly forgotten the whole book), but I think his last appearance was when he stabbed Rand in Hadden Mirk.
Lord Luc or Lan's cousin in Telerand'riod. ??? I forgot where we last saw him.

I think that's all the major ones. Everyone else is just lead by one or more of the above (ie. darkfriends)

oh, I nearly forgot about the gholam. Who knows where they are.

Please correct me if I'm wrong about anything, or if I left something out. I'm trying to figure this out myself as well.

P.S. This is the 100th thread. :D Makes sense for it to be an overview. :)

[Tinkers Sword]

Wasn't Bathemel the vain womeniser? Isn't that why the DO gave him a womans body, as an ironic joke. Hence Bathemel became Ar'angar who in turn is Halima.

Greandal has always been located in a palace near the Mountains of Mist in Arad Domain (out of its troubles). Thats not to say she may not have other hid outs, she has made excursions to Shara. As for the Seanchan connection, as far as I k in all cases concerning the High Blood some of their servants do ware transparent robes. Also if Anan is Semirhage then I couldn't see her sharing control of the Seanchan with another Forsaken.

Luc/Slayer last appeared in Far Madding in WH - "Out of Thin Air", (Interesting chapter I'd read it again soon if you get the chance) .
I think we have underestimated his role in the series, I am reading LoC at the min. and in "Tellings of the Wheel" It tells us that it was Gitara Sedia (she Foretold the Dragons rebirth)who instructed Luc to go to the Blight because the Last Battle depended on it.

[Relayquin]

Originally posted by Abraxas77
Damendred - I say is Masema, but is somewhere in the South--at least he's done stuff in the South.

Why do you think he has done stuff in the south? Based on Sammael's remark that "events in the south had Demandred's mark all over them." perhaps? Note that Sammael is not always right about the actions of his fellow Forsaken and his conclusions are to be taken with a dose of scepsis. Remember how he thought that Lanfear had sent the Trollocs to help Rand in the Stone of Tear early in TDR? It turned out that was Mesaana, not Lanfear.

Semihage - Everyone says Tuon's advisor (what's her face, starts with an A). With Mat??

Most probably Anath, yeah.

Bathemel - Known as Osen'gar (or was it Aran'gar--err I allways mix those two up) was an Asha'man, now dead. How did he die? I forgot.
Aginor - AKA: Aran'gar, Halima. She/He's with Egwene. Now outside Tar Valon.

You've got these two mixed up, as Tinkers Sword already pointed out.
Balthamel = Aran'gar = Halima
Aginor = Osan'gar = toast (again)

Sammeal - an unclear death by Mashidar in Shadar Logoth. He really just dissapeared. He may even be alive.

Even though RJ had said that he is dead and won't return, I'm not quite buying that yet. His death is too fishy by far.

[Tinkers Sword]

Aginor killed again! Missed that - was that in WH? I read that book far too quick and only the once.

[Relayquin]

Originally posted by Tinkers Sword
Aginor killed again! Missed that - was that in WH?
Final chapter, when Rand cleanses the Taint. Elza and her little circle (among which Narishma wielding Callandor) flattened the hill he was on.

[Abraxas77]

Thanks for keeping me straight :) Anyone have any theories on how Mat's going to get the gholams? I hope there is only one lose, the rest stuck in a stasis box.

[lunger]

Fain was also in Far madding...he and toram riatin tried to kill rand and lan when they were floated on top of the bootmakers by nynaeve.

Graendal... i dont believe she's in a mindtrap, but i could be wrong. i think moridin threatened her with one, but that was the extent of it.

as for the gholam, there is only one about that we know of right? correct me if i'm wrong.



my first post! found this site today and read a few threads...still kinda amazed at a forum not totally packed with 10 year olds flaming each other. :)

[Beowulf]

are you really amazed or are you a tricker?!

*slaps you around*

Anyway, yeah... wotism rocks the Age Lace and crap. Twelve year olds can check it at the door.

[Abraxas77]

I'm pretty sure Graendal is in a mindtrap...I'll have to go back and find the quotation. It's in aPoD, towards the end.

[lunger]

mister beowulf - nope, not trying to trick anyone. i've never really been to any WoT forums or webpages till tonight, mostly video game forums and i guess that leads me to the 10 year olds. :/

and whoever made that huge faq page, you OWN

abraxas - i flipped through real fast and didn't see anything, but wasn't really looking super hard. although, in the last chapter of WH, cyndane and mog both mention they feel moridin caressing their coudoursathing(mindtrap). graendal is seen there but there isn't anything from her point of view. although, at the forsaken meeting earlier in the book demandred notices she is wearing a golden ring. i'm not sure whether its just a ring, a wedding band, something to do with the mindtrap, or maybe an angreal.

that brings something else to the top of my head. not all of the forsaken were at shadar logoth..or at least weren't mentioned. semirhage and mesaana, although their locations dont exactly lend themselves to them dropping what they were doing and leaping to shadar logoth.

[Abraxas77]

Well, I found the part I was talking about...it is near the part with the gold ring you speak of (it is an angreal...read "Greandal Leads the Seanchan" thread, I mentioned that in there). But you are right, mostly. RJ leaves it open as to if she is actually given a mindtrap. I thought it was more than just a threat. Allow me to elaborate.

This is from New Alliances, in aPoD.
[paraphrase] Moghedien and Cyndane are speaking with Greandal when Cyndane says, "Moridin is Nae'blis, . . .The Great Lord has decided it is time for you to serve the Nae'blis, too." (page 264 of the hardback) I was interested in that she says "too" as if mean 'in the same way.' Maybe so, maybe not. . .continuing...

I quick fight breaks out and Graendal dominates Moghedien with a web of Compulsion. Graendal asks about her motivies. To which she replies, "You will kill us all! Please, you must serve the Nae'blis! That is what we came for. To bring you to Moridin's service!" (pg 265) Still not proof of a mindtrip, but it leads us to believe as much. At least, Moghedien and Cyndane believe she is to have a mindtrap--which is a very reasonable notion.

Then Shaidar Haran appears to back up the two women. He tells her, "The time when you could go your own way has passed." (pg 266) Then, on the next page he gives Greandal commands. The first one being a visit to Moridin.

All in all, I found nothing to say Moridin wears Greandal's mindtrap--or that anyone does. However, this tells us that Graendal WILL be under Moridin's control. She will most certainly have to swear an oath or something of the like to Moridin. At the least, we know that DO has decided Graendal cannot make her own decisions anymore.

[lunger]

ah that was the very part i was skimming for, but couldn't find! :/ at any rate, i think we can both agree on moridin telling her its time to put up or shut up. you make some really good points, and i found that graendal leads the seanchan thread interesting too, some nice observations there.

that avatar looks cool too :)

[Karitas]

massana - curiously trying to find her by her `habit` of touching her finger to her lip and i found two women connected to the tower who do this in CoS - both i think in the little tower.... couild she be playing both sides there?

anyhoo i thinks its -

Theodrin

and

Riallin

(but i'd have to check and i'm at work)

and as for the gholam - well mat's only hit em with his knives so far - thay havent had a taste of his power wrought spear unless i misremember the fight in Ebou Dar... maybe that'll hurt em?

[Mann]

Flames everyone. Nya nanananaaa.

Welcome.

No he hasn't tried dismemberment yet. No ones tried indirect weaves either, although it's pretty much agreed that thy'dd work.
(But fail to do any serious damage IMO).

[tjrogue]

Semirhage sent the Trollocs to Rand's aid in tSR.

Messana taps her lip, but then again, so does Zaida, Siuan, and several others. No prrof there.

Power-wrought blades won't work any better than regular ones will, they still work on physical principle. The Foxy Medallion seems to be it.

[radarofpolo]

can't remember exactly but doesn't Mordin only have to mindtraps w/ him? I think that Gren probably got out of it by not fighting Mordin.

[Abraxas77]

Yeah..that's pretty much what we agreed on...Greandal was merely threatend with a mindtrap, but it is highly probable that she has sworn to Mordin. I'd say as close to fact as can be without the words actually written. Of course, the way RJ twists things and misdirects us, this may mean absolutely nothing.

[Karitas]

Demandred IS going to be someone close to Rand.. rereading WH i came across this..

chp 13 "Wonderful news"

"You were responsible for watching him Osan'Gar, " she [Aran'Gar]went on her voice caressing every syllable "you and Demandred"

now with Osan'Gar identified as Dashiva, then its fairly logical to assume that Demandred is someone with a similar level of acess to rand in order to observe him.

~shrugs~

hell if i know who though.

[Filbertgough]

im pretty much sold on the taim demandred theroy. I makes too much sense and definantly from that quote which sparked my quriosity too. May be to much sense though?... ooooo

[Karitas]

Theres a bit in WH that kinda rules out Taim being Demandred, cos i was sold on it too till i read that book,

the chapter "Out of thin air"

""kill him," Demandred had commanded later, but he had added that it would be better if they died than let themselves be discovered again. By anyone, even the M'Hael, as if he did not know of Taim's order."

now i guess you could argue that hes being really clever to hide his identity from Kinsman, but it dosent feel like it to me. besides as most people have said - it's too obvious.