Flying

[Aragorn]

Do you think its possible for channelers to be able to fly? A channeler cannot lift themselves with the One Power, but perhaps there is another way. Remember, it was once thought impossible to heal Stilling or unravel a weave, but Our Heroes are figuring out how to do things left and right, and it is stated a few times that the Aes Sedai of old could fly.

[Buckweet]

I thouht the AS of old refernece to flying was to planes and such

But,yea..I think they should be able to fly.

[baxts]

ir ekon that they should be able to fly, but only in pairs, or threes or something, like holding each other up, coz we know that they can do that, so shouldnt you be able to have like a group of four a/s or asha'man, like, two of them holding two each in the air, and the remaining two fighting????? make a pretty awesome weapon, although exposed and shit. does ne1 know if the a/s and ashaman are strong enuf 4 dis???

[Mithrandir]

I think they must be able to fly on there one so 1 channeler must be enough.
"They" say that lifting urself with the one power is impossible but u can make a bridge in the air where u can walk on ; remember Elayne in the circus and Rand when he went for first time to Seafolk and he build an air britghghg(sp? :p).

So i think it must be possible to build such an platform and thie(sp?) the weave and then move it around while the channeler himself stands on it.

[archely]

I was thinking of that moving bridge idea too, but what if it has to be connected to something on at least one side?

[Jacob]

Give the AS/A'M something to stand on and (s)he can move the world instead...

[Cypher]

I also believe that flying would have to be done in pairs so that one AS/AM would control the other AS/AM and vice versa. Although this may not be good for controlling of where they fly, and being able to dodge stuff while flying, but it would be good fro getting from one destination to another. But it would require a constant use of the OP and may tire the users for a long while afterwards.

[baxts]

that bridge idea dont work i dont think, i just reread the book eith that in it, (CoS i think), and when rand made the bridge out to the sea folk he commented that it had to be connected and he could only m,ake one, i think it was like twenty spans or sumn. course i dont have ma books wit me so i probly got it only half rite, but also when elayne was doin her high walkin stuff her bridge was also supported at both ends, and had the rope there as a base as well. im sure you cant just make a platform in the air.

i still go for the whole pairs or fours thing of lifting each other up, though i spose it would be tiring very quickly.

[supuradam]

flying would be crazy cool, but just for moving from point a to point b, wouldn't traveling, or even skimming, be just as, or rather, more effective?

[Buckweet]

yea,...but I;d soar through the clouds for the hell of it..:D


weeeeeeeeeeeee

[archely]

Originally posted by baxts
im sure you cant just make a platform in the air.

How about when Egwene was made Amyrlin? Did they base that platform on anything? And why couldn't you? If you made a solid cube of air, or even a hollow cube, wouldn't it appear that it was based on nothing?

Here's another idea however. Siuan tells Nynaeve and Egwene on the boat to Tar Valon that weaving with the air as they did could not be used for flying.

What about a different weave? It is possible that in the AoL A/S were way more adept at messing around with gravity than they are now. Like reflecting it, concentrating it, and other such tricks. Whereas with air you are working against gravity, why not make gravity work for you by using it?

This does beg the question of why we haven't seen more Forsaken flying around, but I think one main reason you wouldn't use this on a regular basis is that it would be quite conspicuous. Besides, Traveling is much more efficient anyway.

[Buckweet]

So and A/S would need to be strong in earth to be able to manipulate gravity??.. yea and it would very suspisious if a guys dressed in black with ruffles was flying about in the shy...heehe

[supuradam]

they could weave an illusion, or wasn't there a way to make yourself invisible? was that aol, or did nyn/elayne "re-discover" it in sally?

[archely]

There is a way to make yourself invisible, but it is stationary as far as I know. I would think moving about would bring that ripple/predator effect.

[freak2tc]

i think flying to go so where is kida usless 'cause of travaling. but in a battle it would be really good, in a battle u could have one on the ground and one in the air. could be good for scouting too.

[archely]

I think tactics in a battle where the power is the major weapon are way different than tactics in a hand-to-hand battle.

"hmmm, i'm working up this lightning bolt....should i weave it at that partially hidden guy who i can barely see behind the trees.....or maybe I should weave it at that guy flying around in plain sight..."

See: Rand killing off draghkar (sp?) at the battle at Tarwin's Gap at the end of tEotW.

[baxts]

i sure i read archely that other people can wlk on platforms you made in the air, (attached to nothing ones i mean), but the one who made the weave cant. dont remember where this was but i sure i nread it. and the platform that egwene was raised up on was made by the salidar sitters, sheriam and myrelle and romada and all them, she didnt weave the pltform she was standing on herself.;)

[archely]

Originally posted by baxts
im sure you cant just make a platform in the air.

i still go for the whole pairs or fours thing of lifting each other up, though i spose it would be tiring very quickly.

I completely agree that you can't hold yourself up, but you said you can't just make a platform in the air. Which, it is obvious you can.

[Mithrandir]

Is there one logically reason why u couldn't make and platform and stand on it urself (by tieing the weave off for exmp)?
You can hit urself with ur own weaving (rand with callandor in CoS) why wouldn't u be able to stand on it?

[supuradam]

what if flying doesn't have anything to do at all with platforms and bridges? could it be that the as/am weaves air not into a solid on which they'd stand on, but maybe like a jelly (i don't know, air + water maybe???) that they'd surround themselves in, and then move. cause if you're standing on a platform and moving around, it doesn't look like flying as much as it does hobgoblin from spiderman :D

[Buckweet]

So then, the A/S would swim?:rolleyes:

[supuradam]

not necessarily swim persay, but maybe... i don't know. just a thought.

could it be that there were special ter'angreal though for flying? and since so many ter'/sa'/angreal were lost during the breaking, it could have been lost? it might turn out to be one of the ones stolen from the white tower when the blacks fled, or maybe one of the ones brought back from rhuidean, or maybe even on the bottom of the aryth ocean...

[balefire]

Possibly flying ter'angreal work like the Oath Rod or the Tel'aran'rhiod things: put it on, channel Spirit to activate it & off you go!

And if you wish to aspire to greater heights to direct a battle, try this: open a gateway to eg. 500m off the ground, tie off a platform of Air & step through. Use a small gateway (enough to put your hand through) to speak to ground troops.

[Reuvyn]

cool idea to make a gate way inn air

you can make a small gateway?

[Darius Sei'taer]

yeah couldn't you make a disc of air and toss two people out with it. And when the come close to their target area they grip each other with the power. Land and start a ruckus

[freak2tc]

maybe it was more like a glide more than flying, you know like make a hang glider out of air tie it off and step through a gateway and then use the wind to push you

[Reuvyn]

or how about making an airplane out of the Power and then piloting it

[isaac]

How about instead of trying to pick yourself up with the power, you just push down on the ground with it.

[Byrn]

Or how about using magnetism?

[Aragorn]

I still say they can lift themselves. Physics doesn't affect the OP the way it does everything else.

[Reuvyn]

Originally posted by Aragorn
I still say they can lift themselves. Physics doesn't affect the OP the way it does everything else.
except that Siun shows you cant. just like you can't pick up a chair that you are on

[baxts]

its like trying to lift yourself by the collar, you physically cant, every action has an equal and oppostite reaction, i know you guys are saying that physics dont aply, but they have to, theres no way round it.

[TimGoldenboots]

It is quite posible that flying with the one power is actually imposible... All Siuan had said was that she had read once that in the AoL Aes could fly. Now in Rand's trip to Rhuidean we see the Sho Wings or whatever they were called... that were flying machines...

On the other hand, we have never once seen or heard claim by an AoL Aes Sedai that they could use the One Power to fly... So all of this speculation on how it was accomplished in the AoL is completely baseless...

As far as saying outright that you should be able to lift yourself with flows of air and fly, the fact that it has been tried and failed should be proof enough that it don't work that way... If it is not, then you will simply have to learn to channel on your own and try it in order to find out weather it works...

However, the original question was more speculation as to if it is at all posible using means never tried in this age or the AoL... like healing Stilling...


The most likely scenerio would be by mimicing something that already flies... like using air to create giant wings that can flap and lift you... model them after the raken that the Seanchan use...

[Byrn]

Or using earth, create a magnetic field, kind of like Magneto from the Marvel universe.

[Dhelvanen]

speaking of the marvel universe, storm uses carefully controlled wind currents to fly...i wonder if something like that could be done in randland. if a channeler could control the wind deftly enough, then he might be able to lift himself up and move about. man i love wild speculations:)