Vandene and Adeleas

[Meyley]

Ok, so I'm probably going to get flamed for this and I'm sure someone has already pointed this out, but I was re-reading The Great Hunt last night and came across something interesting. When Moiraine pays a visit to Vandene and Adeleas, right before the Dragkhar (sp?) attack Vandene brings tea and two cups to Moiraine. She tells Moiraine the reason she brought two cups was because she thought Lan would still be there. Moiraine never drinks the tea, and Vandene only takes a sip. They discuss the research that Moiraine is doing with Vandene commenting that some of the works she is looking thru are particularly nasty, documents about the Forsaken and Black Ajah etc. Vandene gets up to leave, and when she puts her teacup back on the tray her arm is shaking. Then, lo and behold, we have the Dragkhar attack and we establish that the Dragkhar is warded. Lan and Jaim(?) kill the Dragkhar, and Adeleas comes running out. She is the first one to say that the Dragkhar must have been warded by a Sister, and at this point looks straight at Vandene, and the Black Ajah is then mentioned by Moiraine.

Hmm..... the tea thing. Jordan made too much of a point about Vandene bringing the tea in for Moiraine and Lan for it to be totally inoccuous. I re-read the chapter a few times to make sure I wasn't missing any bits, but at no point does Moiraine ever touch her tea. However, Vandene takes one sip, and then has a bit of a shake problem afterwards.

Takers, anyone?

[shinote]

I think you might be right there is something there. what it is, I'm not quite sure... I really need to reread the story again.

what was the stuff that nyneave and co. got poisoned with in illian. I think it was illian, it decopasitated her and whoever was with her and they weren't able to channel...

matt

[Meyley]

I think the bit you're talking about is when Nynaeve and Elayne get dosed with forkroot tea by Ronde Macura. When Adeleas is killed (and I think it's Ispan that is staked to the bed) Nynaeve and the Kin figure out that she had drank tea with crimsonthorn in itwhich has a paralysis/death effect, and that she would have seen/known her killer. I think it had been bounced around that Vandene was probably her killer, and therefore Black Ajah but it was mostly speculation before, whereas these bits do seem to hint that Vandene's preferred method of offing someone is via a good old cuppa!

[Jacob]

Woah! Nope, never seen THAT theory before! And it's a really GOOD observation! I'm going to have to re-read that section again, but it seems like your on to something indeed. Or well, "something" is perhaps abit unspecific. I'll have to re-read again like I said, but if it is fully as you say, then it seems like good evidence pointing to Vandene being the one that killed Adelas. We knew that it was "someone", but not specifically if it was an AS or Kinswoman or Seafolk woman etc. (though we knew that there is a BA in the palace...sorto)

Good show!

[nightfairy]

Kudos to you, Meyley! I have heard many theorize about Vandene being Black Ajah, but I always considered it only a possibility until now. Now that you mention it, I think you're absolutely right. Very sly & subtle, that RJ!

[Meyley]

:: takes a bow and blushes ::

Fank yoo very much... If I find any other points of interest I'll post em!!
:D :o :o :D

[magatsu17]

I new that bitch was black ajah ever since i my last reread and I was reminded of the Drakar attack when Moraine was visiting Adeleas and Vandaine. I didn't notice the tea thing though.

"Jolly go show there", as you Europians say

[GWINNA]

Interesting, very interesting

[balefire]

Originally posted by Meyley
She is the first one to say that the Dragkhar must have been warded by a Sister, and at this point looks straight at Vandene,

Hmm..... the tea thing. Jordan made too much of a point about Vandene bringing the tea in for Moiraine and Lan for it to be totally inoccuous. Vandene takes one sip, and then has a bit of a shake problem afterwards.

I wonder if the tea had crimsonthorn in it, so Moiraine would be too drugged to channel? And from the way Adeleas behaved, was she aware Vandene is Black Ajah all along, even though she herself wasn't?

[GWINNA]

Seems very likly.

[Berk]

While this theory is very interesting, I do not believe that the fact that the Draghkar was warded is proof that one of the sisters (or both) is Black Ajah.
Recall that when Egewene and Nynaeve were looking for Moiraine on the way to Tar Valon at one point, the Aes Sedai Egwene asks mentions Moiraine took off, then Verin, and then Liandrin.
Now, we know where Moiraine headed off to, we know where Verin headed off to, but we do not know where Liandrin headed off to. I was always under the impression it was she who followed Moiraine to the sisters.
On another subject, does anyone know where Alviarin took off to in book 7? At one point Elaida mentions how it had been a few weeks since she last saw here. We know at that point she had learned to travel, but I have no clue where she would have gone.

David Berkowitz

[balefire]

Originally posted by Meyley
Lan and Jaim(?) kill the Dragkhar, and Adeleas comes running out. She is the first one to say that the Dragkhar must have been warded by a Sister, and at this point looks straight at Vandene, and the Black Ajah is then mentioned by Moiraine.

I re-read that bit about the Draghkar today, & I think there's a fact to be amended here. When Moiraine said the Shadowspawn was warded, Adeleas said something like "Impossible. Only a sister could have..." & it was Vandene who looked at Moiraine. Probably she was afraid Moiraine would suspect her?

[balefire]

Originally posted by Berk
While this theory is very interesting, I do not believe that the fact that the Draghkar was warded is proof that one of the sisters (or both) is Black Ajah.
Recall that when Egewene and Nynaeve were looking for Moiraine on the way to Tar Valon at one point, the Aes Sedai Egwene asks mentions Moiraine took off, then Verin, and then Liandrin.
Now, we know where Moiraine headed off to, we know where Verin headed off to, but we do not know where Liandrin headed off to. I was always under the impression it was she who followed Moiraine to the sisters.
On another subject, does anyone know where Alviarin took off to in book 7? At one point Elaida mentions how it had been a few weeks since she last saw here. We know at that point she had learned to travel, but I have no clue where she would have gone.

David Berkowitz

I don't think Adeleas is Black Ajah, since she got killed. More likely Vandene, since the crimsonthorn bit implies someone who knows Adeleas's taste for sweet tea. And Vandene knows she picked up the taste in Ebou Dar. That makes her a very good suspect. Liandrin of course might be another. I'm so glad she's damane now. Alviarin might have gone spying in Salidar on Mesaana's orders. After all she has to make sure that whatever orders Elaida issues regarding Salidar mustn't conflict with any Forsaken agenda, hmm?

[magatsu17]

I think the one who's alive, killed her sister. It's would be quite a cowinsedence(sp?) that the Drakar and the darkfriend happened to attack them. I think that gives proof enough that she's a black sister.

[Mann]

Interesting.

[Meyley]

While this theory is very interesting, I do not believe that the fact that the Draghkar was warded is proof that one of the sisters (or both) is Black Ajah.
Recall that when Egewene and Nynaeve were looking for Moiraine on the way to Tar Valon at one point, the Aes Sedai Egwene asks mentions Moiraine took off, then Verin, and then Liandrin.
Now, we know where Moiraine headed off to, we know where Verin headed off to, but we do not know where Liandrin headed off to. I was always under the impression it was she who followed Moiraine to the sisters.
On another subject, does anyone know where Alviarin took off to in book 7? At one point Elaida mentions how it had been a few weeks since she last saw here. We know at that point she had learned to travel, but I have no clue where she would have gone.

David Berkowitz

Okay so I know I should have used the quote thingy but oh well. If ya read my 'theory' I don't actually state that I think the Draghkar being warded was proof. My point was the cup of tea bit....