Rand's wound

[Jean]

RJ was in the Netherlands in April and some Dutch fans asked him about the taint, I thought this was interesting:
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<BR>Question: Does the healing of the taint reverse its previous effects? Or does the victim have to live with whatever he's gotten to that point and be grateful it won't get worse?
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<BR>Jordan: The second.
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<BR>I guess we can take this to mean that Rand's wound will NEVER heal. I think he's going to die in the last battle anyway. <IMG SRC="/forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif">
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[GWINNA]

I'd have to agree with that

[Jacob]

I am not sure really, about wether he'll live or he'll die in the last battle. I mean, what does "In order to live, you must die" mean? That he must die in the last batter to be reborn again in another age? "twice dawns the day..." Does that mean that the creator himself will step down and make him alive again or such??
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<BR>I'm not much sure about the wound either. Since it isn't really caused by the taint, it is not covered by what Jordan said though. I am almost sure that some way to heal it will be found. Or that the two wounds will kill each other somehow. One reason I think this is that Nynaeve has mentioned SOO many times that there has to be a way to heal the wound, blah blah....for it to not be "healable".
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[Harun]

Well, I seem to recall that RJ once explicitly said that the Creator will not intervene at any point in the series.
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<BR>But I may be wrong.

[Judas]

if i recall correctly, i think that moraine said that the wound would have to heal naturaly, which means(to me anyway) that if he sits still long enough, without being blasted by one of the forsaken, the wound will eventualy heal. mabey i am just putting too much weight on what moraine said. oh well, i agree about the rand dieing, but i wonder what will happen to mat and perrin?

[Katya]

Ah, so poor Rand is going to be slightly paranoid and suffer various ill effects from channeling permanently...but at least he isn't mad or rotting.
<BR>I was quite shocked that Rand cleansed the Taint so early -- I had expected it only to happen during or shortly before the Last Battle.

[Jacob]

Ah, but mayhap the last battle isn't that far away at all? I can't remember the exact wording exactly...but I'm going to break the rules of making a quote: "summer burns
<BR>....blah blah....again the seed slays ancient wrong...blah blah...now the great lord comes...."
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<BR>Feel free to fill in the missing bits:)
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<BR>Jacob

[ShadowReaver]

hmm again. . .im' with you Jacob. . .can't recall the rest. . .but it does leave a lot of forboding. . .and seems to imply the dark one is on his way. . .which means the seals are as good as gone. . .well they are anyway. . .but yeah:)
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<BR>Judas also has a good point. . . .but i don't know. . . .i think maybe the wounds have something to do with his blood on the dark one's hill bit <IMG SRC="/forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif"> mayhaps during the last battle something will happen to him that wil cause the wounds to open and his blood to be spilled. . . .
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<BR>and yeah. . .who's to say that tarmon gaidon isn't just around the corner?

[tyr]

gosh, i still havent read winter's heart...
<BR>the taint was cleansed?
<BR>was i right?
<BR>*sigh me* guess i'll have to read it...
<BR>i'd be here more often, but i've recently become an imm and a builder at this awesome mud i've been playin for like 3 years...
<BR>*sigh me* i wonder if anyone even REMEMBERs me...

[tyr]

... thats' odd... i'm a newbie?
<BR>ok

[Judas]

well, it dosent realy seem to talk much to make rands wound break open, so i will not be suprised if it dose break open on the dark one's mount, or whatever.

[Jacob]

The exact meaning of "his blood" has been discussed alot. No theory has won our over any other though that I've seen.
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<BR>"his blood" = Galad (half brother)
<BR>"his blood" = The Aiel?
<BR>"his blood" = Umm...Uncle Luc? (YAY, never heard anyone else say that before! Luc redeeming himself or...some sort of Gollum Inspired ending...
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<BR>Or his blood COULD simply mean as it says, that he has to die as a Christlike sacrifice for mankinds sins or some such, to save the world.
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[bermuda]

Don't forget that Rand is technically a member of house Damodred. This of course makes Moraine either his aunt or cousin. His blood also is Lan, who is his cousin. Lan has always believed he would die fighting the shadow. Luc would be related to Rand also...which would me that he is somehow connected with Isam. Rhuac is Rand's uncle and he definitely could be seen at Shayol Ghul at Tarmon Gaidon.

[GWINNA]

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<BR>nope, Rand isn't related to Moraine or the House Damodred. His mother was Andorian(queen) and father Aeil, Galad(i think, the older one) is related to Moraine and the house Damodred, and Galad is related to rand, but rand isn't related to Damodred.

[bermuda]

Rand is technically a member of house Damoedred by marrage. Tarrigil (can't remember how to spell it) was Married to Tigraine. Tigraine left Andor and became a maiden.

[Judas]

yep, i think that i agree that rand is somhow related to moraine. (it is sorta weird that many of the main charicters are related! i did not know that lan is rands cosin. could someone tell me how?

[Jacob]

Gah! Of course he isn't! Since Tigrane LEFT Taringail and dissapeard, the marriege with him was nullified. (and Taringail then married Morgaise) Also, Tigrane was the daughter heir of Andor, thus she didn't ever marry into house Demandred (heirs to thrones don't marry into other Houses, regardless of gender).
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<BR>Neither is Rand and Lan related in any known way (maybe a few thousand years back or something, like you and I might be related).
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[bermuda]

I must admit, I was mistaken...I thought Isam was related to Rand and Luc. After reading the EOTW chapters again, I see my mistake.

[magatsu17]

Originally posted by Jacob
Ah, but mayhap the last battle isn't that far away at all? I can't remember the exact wording exactly...but I'm going to break the rules of making a quote: "summer burns
<BR>....blah blah....again the seed slays ancient wrong...blah blah...now the great lord comes...."
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<BR>Feel free to fill in the missing bits:)
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<BR>Jacob

That was the Dark prophecy from the second book though. I was at least 3 years from where the series is now. I think he will die but i don't think it Rand whose gonna die it'll be Lews Therin. I mean he is Rand and is Him. So when they say you have to die to live i think he and rand will seperate some how. May be in Telan'rhoid and Lews Therin will die and rand will live.

[plummer]

Hmm, i'm of the opinion that it will be *Rand's* own blood spilled and that he will die. Now, of course death doesn't seem to be completely permanent in this world. Mat died didn't he? And he's alive and kicking again.

But i like the "Lews Therin dies" theory - that's interesting.

[Ulk]

RJ cant bring himself to kill any of his beloved characters, let alone Rand. SO, with that in mind, cant his blood spill w/o his dying? he could just cut open his finger, drip a few drops of blood on the rocks, and bingo! :D

[plummer]

Well, i don't have any quotes right now to back me up, but I believe that there have been more than one prophesies relating to Rand dying in the last battle.

But you're right about RJ not killing his characters - seems the only people who stay dead have been balefired. I wish Rand would realize that and just start balefiring all the Forsaken he can find.

[JoJo]

of course rand will die! he is the classic messiah/martyr character of fictional stories everywhere. he will die, taking the dark one with him, and everyone will live happily ever after, always remembering rand for his great deed, and not for his woolheadedness.

[GWINNA]

What do you mean RJ doesn't kill off any charecters. Several of the Asha'man that we got to know decently died among several other checters that i liked. As for more main charecters, we have Ishmael, Asmondean, Lanfear(though she is back so I'm not sure if that counts), Moraine, Bornhald, and Liandra while not dead is been taken care of. But seriously, where would the story go or benifiet from Rand, Mat, or Perrin dieing before the Last Battle. It would totaly screw everything up. Killing off your important charecters drags down the story and is realy lazy as it is a cheap way to be interesting. I think you people just don't appreciate the finer points the books, like book 8, which is insanly under rated. It took me two readings before I realized just how good it was. I was intialy disappointed in it until I read it the second time and realized the subtle things that made it on par with TEOTW or TDR OR 4 or 6. However I will prepare a short list of charecters I wouldn't mind seeing die:
The Seachan helping mat escape.
Rhuarc
The Prophet
Berelain
Tam Al'thor
Verin
Cadsuane
Suin(or other wise hook up with dippy and disappear)
Sheriam(after some work)
Fain(although I have a suspicion that he will kill Rand)
Taim
Thom(after saving Moraine)
Moraine(again after coming back)
Gawyn
Birgitte
Elaida
any of them would be ok as long as it was meaningfull deaths.

[Litefoot]

Rhuarc - no way.
The Prophet - definately.
Thom - definately, definately NOT. He's incredibly interesting,
and deeply wound up in the story.
Gawyn - yeah, I wouldn't mind seeing him get skewered, just
to witness Eg's reaction, would be great.

And I would add ... FAILE. If she died, Perrin would only have the
Last Battle to worry about, he could put his heart and soul into saving the world with Rand and Mat at his side, instead of worrying about his wife. AND, if she was killed by the shadow, then Perrin would have the avengence thing going on, which would be really cool reading. I love it when someone is out to avenge a death.

And I reckon Rand will die, but only at the end of everything. Think about it, after the Last Battle, and the series is over, there's not going to be any more use for ANY of the characters is there? You can't believe that there will be this fantastic, happy ending where all the good characters escape death, and all the bad guys die. It just won't happen. In my opinion, anyway.

[magatsu17]

I'm tired of people saying Rand's gonna die in the end. He's gonna live. We've had several hints that he's gonna die but also that the dieing is what gonna save him. I do think that he will die or atleast fake his death, or everyone will think he's dead. But he'll still survive somehow. All the signs point to his return. I can't belive you made a list of characters you wouldn't mind seeing die and left Lan off the list. Not that I want him to die he's one of my favorite characters in the series. But he's probly the character in the series who's also most prepared to die. Definitely one whose death could inspire others.

[Ulk]

:rolleyes: I knew you'd say that GWINNA! LOL! we've had this "discussion" a few times now. but in your list of ppl who have died, you put Ishy and Mor.. now come on dude, ishy is moridin, and there's no fucking way moraine is dead. :p

[GWINNA]

FAILE should NOT Die. As for Lan, nope. Just because the series is over doesn't mean everybody is expendable at the end. The series must convey the sense that life goes on at the end unless they lose the last battle, otherwise it won't feel right. Besides Rand was think about the FINN and stated that he too was told that he would have to die to live again so who knows.

[Buckweet]

Hey guys!!! so good to see you all thriving....The wheel keeps on turning!!!woohooo!!

Anyway.... Listen guys. As confusing as it is, Rand will die b/c of Min's viewing... He will die and Alivia will help him do it. Personally I think it will be a fake death staged by Rand to get everyone off his back.

I cant remember exactly I think one of Egwene's dreams or somehing is Rands corpse fade away as ??Logain steps over it?? it falls apart like paper...is all I remembr for sure..

Only one way to find out for sure.... later all!!
It's so reviving to see so many...
:p
but a few are missing....

RAW WAR
Son of the sands....
but I know Amelia is here so come out come out wherever you are... I tracked ya down through our bond...lol

Buckweet Gaidin

[Litefoot]

When I said people would die at the end of the series, I didn't mean ALL of them. But it would be unrealistic to think all the best characters could make it through something so chaotic as the Last Battle. Some of them WILL die.

But if Rand dies, I agree it will not be final. There will be a twist, guaranteed. Nothing is straightforward with the dragon reborn.

G.W.I.N.N.A. - why should Faile not die? (I agree with you that Lan should not, for the simple fact that he is the one trying the hardest to get himself killed).

[Jacob]

Originally posted by Buckweet
Hey guys!!! so good to see you all thriving....The wheel keeps on turning!!!woohooo!!

Nice to see you too, Buckweet! We're thriving more by the day now:)


Anyway.... Listen guys. As confusing as it is, Rand will die b/c of Min's viewing... He will die and Alivia will help him do it. Personally I think it will be a fake death staged by Rand to get everyone off his back.

I cant remember exactly I think one of Egwene's dreams or somehing is Rands corpse fade away as ??Logain steps over it?? it falls apart like paper...is all I remembr for sure..


Falling appart as if it wasn't real...wasn't the real Rand...wasn't the <i>real dragon</i>....Taim was a false dragon, not real. Taim is bad and Logain will kick butt!


Only one way to find out for sure.... later all!!
It's so reviving to see so many...
:p
but a few are missing....

RAW WAR
Son of the sands....
but I know Amelia is here so come out come out wherever you are... I tracked ya down through our bond...lol

Buckweet Gaidin

RAW WAR is here....not. (but he's registered) Son of sands, Amelia...lots others...the search goes on! Considering that the old list of wotists on the .org site is rather outdated email vise (email accounts have a definite Best Before date...before they end up getting spammed to death), it's darn hard to get in touch with everyone! :O

Now, out hunting for Amelia, I expect you to have found her by this time tomorrow!:-)

[Buckweet]

Sweet.


Buckweet Gaidin

[TimGoldenboots]

Since they were talking about his blood.... He shares no blood with House Demodred.

As for his wound, I doubt it can be healed. Nynaeve wouldn't even attempt to discover a way to heal it. This is the same person who says anything could be healed. She healed Gentling & Stilling. But she wouldn't even think about healing Rand's wound. I still don't understand why she was so scared of it...

[plummer]

I agree that it probably won't be healed - if only because it seems to be an important piece of the plot. And doesn't Rand think that it is from that wound his blood will be spilt on the slopes of blah blah blah. That sounds like foreshadowing to me - or something like that.

[magatsu17]

Min had a viewing in book 7 where she saw rand and another man and they merged into one then one of them died. Also since rand and LTT are the same peron, LTT will die Finally and Rand will live to plant seed in Aviendha

[Buckweet]

Hey...Do you think that now with the taint gone that Rands wound will heal????

I figure since his wounds beat in time with the taint and shadarlogoth....against each other.....that now that they bth are gone maybe Rand will recover with a healable wound.

Buckweet Gaidin

ps-I think Rand and Nynaeve will be out for the count of most of book 10....but I honestly hope not!! Nynaeve isn't as half as annoying as she used to be :D

[magatsu17]

Originally posted by Buckweet
Hey...Do you think that now with the taint gone that Rands wound will heal????

I figure since his wounds beat in time with the taint and shadarlogoth....against each other.....that now that they bth are gone maybe Rand will recover with a healable wound.

Buckweet Gaidin

ps-I think Rand and Nynaeve will be out for the count of most of book 10....but I honestly hope not!! Nynaeve isn't as half as annoying as she used to be :D

Actually I never thought about it but that's right they should heal now, that both are gone.

That would be really cool.

[JoJo]

but remember, RJ said that those ppl who had started to be affected by the taint before the cleasing of saidin will still have those side effects afterwards, they just wont get any worse. the same should go for rand's wound.

[tyr]

alright, first, i wanna know, is ULK canadian

2. rand being reborn

Duh! the dragon comes every turn of the wheel

3. Thom is gonna die in the next book, something about beng
hungry and tired when talking to the eelfin, and they talk at him too much, and they eat his essence, making him too tired to kill one for food or something. but he's gonna like, do his thing where people love him for his charisma, and as he tries to leave, he stumbles on the doorway thingie that the great one makes for him to get out of there, and prompty dies.

4. lews and rand being seperated, i like that idea

5. when rand is like, sick or something, he'll ask aliva to kill him
she'll say 'later'

5. tuon is gonna turn out to be a fake, isnt she.
Just a sul'dam that thinks she's more than she is
that veil kept people from knowing who she was, sides, she isnt an heir, she just has toh to mat, i think... no, she's not aiel... wait, hey i just thought of something!

6. Tuon is aiel, a black eyed one at that

7. i'm gonna find my grilled cheese sandwich, so dont worry for me there, but thank you all for the concern

8. that is all, now go on, and remember, that now is the first moment of the rest of your life

[elfnmagik]

4. lews and rand being seperated, i like that idea


hmm that actually might be a cool thing sort of like how bridgette got ripped from the tapestry....

the scene would be sick to those watching randing walking..then suddenly seeing lews therin pulling tearing out of Rand...
yea yea....:eek:

[hrothgar]

I've always believed RJ will take his cue from the legend of the death -- and promised return -- of King Arthur in Britain's "time of need." The "three women in the boat" prophecy could not be a more obvious reflection of the episode in which Parcival returns to find Arthur's body bundled into a boat and on its way to the Isle of Avalon after Parcival ran off to dish Excaliber in the drink. [Ok, I realize my knowledge of Arthurian myth is heavily skewed by John Berryman's movie, but RJ has previously stated that he loves that movie, too. So I feel justified.) Anyway, from this I gather that RJ will set up Rand for a return to the flesh, but only by being spun out of the wheel in the pattern's time of need. In the interim, Rand will hang with his buddies in T'A'R, with a place at the head of the heroes of the horn, perhaps. It is not exactly "living again" in the sense we might like to think it (i.e., Rand growing old with his happy harem of hotties and their stable of children), but I figure it is the best we are going to get from RJ. Maybe I am wrong. For Rand's sake, I hope so. ;)

-- hrothgar

[QuirkyTemplate]

It's kinda obvious that Rand isn't going to die. I mean, they've hinted at his death so often that there is no possible way that he's gonna bite it.

Fo Show.

[balefire]

I couldn't agree more. Considering how adept he is at balefire, I wonder why he never tried that, except at Rahvin.
Anyone know what balefire is made of? I always thought it's all 5 Powers, but there's nothing in the books to say what it actually is. Given its characteristics I think it's safe to say it's Fire,Air & Earth, but I'm not sure.

Originally posted by plummer
Well, i don't have any quotes right now to back me up, but I believe that there have been more than one prophesies relating to Rand dying in the last battle.

But you're right about RJ not killing his characters - seems the only people who stay dead have been balefired. I wish Rand would realize that and just start balefiring all the Forsaken he can find.

[balefire]

I doubt that bit about the Dark One dying. Remember, Baalzamon said this war had been goin on since the Creation of Time. Rand will probably reseal the prison & die, & that's about it. I don't think everyone will "remember Rand for his great deed", or live happily ever after. Of course in real life nobody lives happily ever after.

Originally posted by JoJo
of course rand will die! he is the classic messiah/martyr character of fictional stories everywhere. he will die, taking the dark one with him, and everyone will live happily ever after, always remembering rand for his great deed, and not for his woolheadedness.

[balefire]

Your list seems to show no common thread running through them. I mean like, why should Tam Al'thor die? And Moiraine? Of course some of the others can go suck balefire. Apart from Moiraine, Siuan & Leane, all other Aes Sedai can go to hell by balefire. Especially Elaida & Liandrin.
To run thru your list, those who I think should die are:
The Prophet
Berelain the Bitch
Sheriam (nothing personal, I just hate Aes Sedai in general)
Cadsuane
Fain
Taim

And not forgetting Faile & that creature Suroth...


Originally posted by G.W.I.N.N.A
What do you mean RJ doesn't kill off any charecters. Several of the Asha'man that we got to know decently died among several other checters that i liked. As for more main charecters, we have Ishmael, Asmondean, Lanfear(though she is back so I'm not sure if that counts), Moraine, Bornhald, and Liandra while not dead is been taken care of. But seriously, where would the story go or benifiet from Rand, Mat, or Perrin dieing before the Last Battle. It would totaly screw everything up. Killing off your important charecters drags down the story and is realy lazy as it is a cheap way to be interesting. I think you people just don't appreciate the finer points the books, like book 8, which is insanly under rated. It took me two readings before I realized just how good it was. I was intialy disappointed in it until I read it the second time and realized the subtle things that made it on par with TEOTW or TDR OR 4 or 6. However I will prepare a short list of charecters I wouldn't mind seeing die:
The Seachan helping mat escape.
Rhuarc
The Prophet
Berelain
Tam Al'thor
Verin
Cadsuane
Suin(or other wise hook up with dippy and disappear)
Sheriam(after some work)
Fain(although I have a suspicion that he will kill Rand)
Taim
Thom(after saving Moraine)
Moraine(again after coming back)
Gawyn
Birgitte
Elaida
any of them would be ok as long as it was meaningfull deaths.

[balefire]

Yes, I know you hate Faile....so do I. As for Gawyn, not really fair right? Egwene will go into deep mourning, & she'll easily succumb to the problems around her: performing as Amyrlin, fending off the political crap from the Salidar witches around her, & also that Halima bitch.
Yup, if Faile died Perrin can do what you suggested & he'll finally be free of that over-domineering Saldaean tigress.

Originally posted by Litefoot
Rhuarc - no way.
The Prophet - definately.
Thom - definately, definately NOT. He's incredibly interesting,
and deeply wound up in the story.
Gawyn - yeah, I wouldn't mind seeing him get skewered, just
to witness Eg's reaction, would be great.

And I would add ... FAILE. If she died, Perrin would only have the
Last Battle to worry about, he could put his heart and soul into saving the world with Rand and Mat at his side, instead of worrying about his wife. AND, if she was killed by the shadow, then Perrin would have the avengence thing going on, which would be really cool reading. I love it when someone is out to avenge a death.

And I reckon Rand will die, but only at the end of everything. Think about it, after the Last Battle, and the series is over, there's not going to be any more use for ANY of the characters is there? You can't believe that there will be this fantastic, happy ending where all the good characters escape death, and all the bad guys die. It just won't happen. In my opinion, anyway.

[balefire]

I agree with the last 2 lines, but no, I want him to live. What's poor Nynaeve to do if he goes? I want them to live happily ever after & all that mushy stuff. It's not often that you find such powerful love so why not let them remain that way? Alright I admit I'm a soppy fool....

Originally posted by magatsu17
I'm tired of people saying Rand's gonna die in the end. He's gonna live. We've had several hints that he's gonna die but also that the dieing is what gonna save him. I do think that he will die or atleast fake his death, or everyone will think he's dead. But he'll still survive somehow. All the signs point to his return. I can't belive you made a list of characters you wouldn't mind seeing die and left Lan off the list. Not that I want him to die he's one of my favorite characters in the series. But he's probly the character in the series who's also most prepared to die. Definitely one whose death could inspire others.

[balefire]

Huh? You mean you don't want Lan to die just because he wants to? That's a very unfair reason to Lan you know. Anyway, now that he & Nynaeve are together maybe he'll want to stay alive & be with her forever...Alright, I'm being silly...

Originally posted by Litefoot
When I said people would die at the end of the series, I didn't mean ALL of them. But it would be unrealistic to think all the best characters could make it through something so chaotic as the Last Battle. Some of them WILL die.

But if Rand dies, I agree it will not be final. There will be a twist, guaranteed. Nothing is straightforward with the dragon reborn.

G.W.I.N.N.A. - why should Faile not die? (I agree with you that Lan should not, for the simple fact that he is the one trying the hardest to get himself killed).

[LaughingTurtle]

Jeez if i was in Lan's position, I would want to go off to die as fast as i could. (being married to Nynaeve ~~shudder~~) Hell, i wouldn't have gotten into that situation in the first place. What does lan see in her anyway?

now that he & Nynaeve are together maybe he'll want to stay alive & be with her forever
~~double shudder~~ ;) ;)

Also bout the rand's death, coming back so on and so forth thingy, maybe he will die at the end, but will be spun out again later (thus fufilling the whole reborn thing). Well, technically not rand but The DRAGON

ARGH!!! Thinking about any theory for too long will definitely hurt your head.

[QuirkyTemplate]

Yeah, poor Lan. Luckily he's far too stoney to ever have Nynaeve's annoyingness rub off on him ... right guys? Right?

[balefire]

Why would Lan want to die as soon as possible? He's happily married to Nynaeve. And of course she's deliriously overjoyed about that. I don't know what Lan sees in her but then how do we know why A likes B?
Assuming Rand & LTT are the same soul then maybe Rand's personality will be gone for good. But if Rand & LTT are really separate souls in 1 body, I don't know...


Originally posted by LaughingTurtle
Jeez if i was in Lan's position, I would want to go off to die as fast as i could. (being married to Nynaeve ~~shudder~~) Hell, i wouldn't have gotten into that situation in the first place. What does lan see in her anyway?


~~double shudder~~ ;) ;)

Also bout the rand's death, coming back so on and so forth thingy, maybe he will die at the end, but will be spun out again later (thus fufilling the whole reborn thing). Well, technically not rand but The DRAGON

ARGH!!! Thinking about any theory for too long will definitely hurt your head.

[QuirkyTemplate]

He's happily married to Nynaeve

I'm going to give Lan the benefit of the doubt and say that he's only with Nynaeve for political reasons. I hope

[Jacob]

Nynaeve isn't that bad. Not as she was in [í]the Eye of the World[/i] anyway and if she can get back to that, she'd be a really good character again. Most annoying now is how meek she's become I think.

And of course LLT and Rand aren't separate souls. Rand is LLT (the soul) reborn after all. They seem separate somehow...but it can't be the soul. Hmm...I think I read somewhere in some series (the Empire trilogy??) where each incarnation had it's own uniqueness to the soul. I.e. one bit that always stayed the same and one bit that was "filled" each time witht he individual persona, but was still part of the soul (the part which went to the Natami, for you who's read the Empire trillogy). Maybe it's something like this. Rand and LTT have the same soul, except for that one "slice" of soul??

[magatsu17]

I think mat said it best. When he said he would rather have a rabbid fox in his breaches than be married to Nyneve. I still can't get over how she used the power on him when they where having an arguement. I thought that was one of the most childish things she's ever done. Lan's definatly a better man than I since he wasn't even mad about that.

[balefire]

Originally posted by Jacob
And of course LLT and Rand aren't separate souls. Rand is LLT (the soul) reborn after all. They seem separate somehow...but it can't be the soul. Hmm...I think I read somewhere in some series (the Empire trilogy??) where each incarnation had it's own uniqueness to the soul. I.e. one bit that always stayed the same and one bit that was "filled" each time witht he individual persona, but was still part of the soul (the part which went to the Natami, for you who's read the Empire trillogy). Maybe it's something like this. Rand and LTT have the same soul, except for that one "slice" of soul??

I'm not sure how far it's true that Rand & LTT are 2 separate souls. I haven't read the Empire trilogy, but I get your point. It's a bit like getting a new aspect to your personality with each reincarnation, sort of like carving a new facet into a crystal each time.

[QuirkyTemplate]

Yeah, In Eye of the World Nynaeve wasn't bad. RJ had to go and try to develop her character. Tragic my friends. Tragic.

[Angry Dwarf]

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I am not sure really, about wether he'll live or he'll die in the last battle.

I guess that Rand's death is quite sure because of a different reason: Min had a viewing seeing him lying dead and being mourned by her, Elayne and Aviendha. Considering that she is always right this doesn't mean much good... By the way she had another viewing about an Atha'an Miere (is THAT spelling correct?!?!) in Winter's Heart who is to "help him die", whatever that means. Of course, what happens after his death is as unclear as possible, I mean why not get him back from the brink of death or even beyond?
I'm really looking forward to book 10. And 11. And 12. And so on.

[LaughingTurtle]

Orginally posted by Angry Dwarf
I'm really looking forward to book 10. And 11. And 12. And so on.

HERE, HERE, aren't we all!! :D :D :) :) :cool: :cool:

[Turambar]

I seem to recall something about Rand being a blind or amnesiac beggar walking around with a cane or something like that.
I also seem to remember something about a battle coming after tarmon gai'don. That fight doesn't have to be fought by Rand but him versus Fain would be fitting. But most likely the man with the cane is me.

[flyingdutchman]

In response to earlier discussions on whether rand will die: In a few months there will be plenty of rand's blood KIN to go around.
kick some of 'em down the big nasty hole -> prophecy fullfilled.

by the way, i only found this site yeasterday, and i must say:

GET A LIFE!


:D just kidding.

One more thing: what's the regular time lapse between books being published and the contents being discussed? I wouldn't want to spoil the book for slow readers.

Eindhovuh de gekste!
(Loosly translates as: we Rule)

[magatsu17]

Dude forget the slow readers man, they should know better than be on the site, if they don't want any spoilers. That always what I try to do anyway.

As far as Rand dying, I seem to recall that, he's supposed to die but it won't be real. I seem to recall Egwene having a dream about that. Also Min having a viewing saying something similar. The helping him die could be faking his own death. That what I alway's thought.

oohh and FlyingDutchman your aren't Rik Smits are you, they called him the Flyingdutchman when he was in the NBA.

[Mike]

Originally posted by flyingdutchman
In response to earlier discussions on whether rand will die: In a few months there will be plenty of rand's blood KIN to go around.
kick some of 'em down the big nasty hole -> prophecy fullfilled.

by the way, i only found this site yeasterday, and i must say:

GET A LIFE!

:D just kidding.

One more thing: what's the regular time lapse between books being published and the contents being discussed? I wouldn't want to spoil the book for slow readers.

Eindhovuh de gekste!
(Loosly translates as: we Rule)

Eindhovuh de gekste??? And you tell us to get a life?! ~shakes head~

But welcome :D

And don't mind me. I'm not even halfway book 4 :(

[Jacob]

Wow, this really is stunning! I mean, I've seen in our stats that we've had a fair deal of Dutch visitors....but I've always rather assumed that it was just Mike logging on from computers all over the place while he was a work of something ~g~

And what IS this talk about spoilers and discussing etc?? It's been over a year since the realease of [i]Winters Heart[/i) was released, it's fully open to anyone to discuss it at their hearts content now without worrying about spoiling things...if it's spoiled for someone, they have themselves to blaime *coughMikecough*.

...or, are you one of those poor unfortunate souls who are trying to endure getting throught the books in translated (dutch) form? :eek:

[flyingdutchman]

I rest my case!

actually i'm a SC Heerenveen supporter. Foppe Rules!

About WOT:
just wanted to shake loose some reactions.
but hey, think about it! Jordan told us the end of the story before he even began! I think there's something more to it, and as with everything else in wot, the toddlers to be will probably have something to do with it. Maybe some sort of tolkien rip-off where they annoy the DO to death.

The series is actually quite popular in the Netherlands. Not just translations, the english paperback version is in the top 100 bestselling books. If only J. could get on with it. I started reading 2 years ago, but now i'm fresh out of books! And the worst thing is that I'll probably devour book 10 as fast as book 9; took me about 2 days. And then it's back to rereading the whole series.

By the way, what was that about Rik Smits being a flying dutchman? The only way he's ever gonna get airborne is a good kick in the groing.:D

[magatsu17]

I read book eight in two days, It onle took me 20 hours to read book 9, sure it was a marathon where all I did was read nonstop, but is was fun, though short, while book 6 took me two weeks, by far the longest time in the whole series the rest took me about a week.

and Rik Smits wasn't always suck a so flat footed, he had a lil ups when he first entered the league, that why they called him the flyingdutchman, later though he became know as the Dutchboy in the Paint.