The hidden Black sister

[Buckweet]

Ok...Let the theorizing begin...personally I believe she killed her own twin and is faking the whole bit.....

Ideas??



Buckweet Gaidin

[Beowulf]

I think she is black ajah, the surviving sister but I also think her grief was probably real. I am not sure if she killed her own sister or not.

could also have been that she found out her sister was ba and so killed her. well, either way, one of them was black ajah, and the plot is better/more complex for having the evil sister still living. so there's my two-cents.

[magatsu17]

It would make since for one of them to be black Ajah. Moriane was visiting their farm when it was attacked by that
Draken(spelling??) So it woud make since for it to be one of them.

[Buckweet]

Originally posted by magatsu17
It would make since for one of them to be black Ajah. Moriane was visiting their farm when it was attacked by that
Draken(spelling??) So it woud make since for it to be one of them.


Drakar...but exactly...except if I know good old RJ a bit...the black twin sister..(unintentional pun) is the one in grief and "investigating the murder"....I think her name is Vandene...

Oh and I think she shit bricks behind the scenes when those two "novices" (knitting circle chicks) confronted her with their synopsis on who it may be.


Buckweet Gaidin.

[TimGoldenboots]

This is not conclusive, but it should be at least among the potential suspects.

Messana has taken control of the BA for the past couple of books. Alviarin had been their leader, but now she is Messana's bootlicker. You don't think that Messana taught her to travel for the blight of it do you? No, Alviarin has been running errands for Messana. If she taught her to travel, it is likely that she also taught her other tricks. Such as to disguise herself. She could have shown up disguised as any of the AS in the camp, commited the murders & left without anyone else seeing her.

[Buckweet]

I dont think she showed her how to disguise herself. I remember somewhere Alviarin tried to see the weave for the disguise to see if she can figure out how Messy looked underneath. So my guess is that she doesnt know how at the time of the murder...besides...she would need to know the exact location of the wise women to sneak in and assasinate them.

Buckwee Gaidin

[TimGoldenboots]

You are probably right on the first point, but as far as finding them, I have noticed that the Forsaken have a way of finding darkfriends no matter where they happen to be. Messana could also have disguised Alviarin before hand, but that is even less likely.... I guess I will let this die on the note that, "What the heck is Alviarin up to. She must be traveling somewhere, else why teach it to her?"

[Buckweet]

I think that Alviarin is too busy running the tower and telling Elaida what to do...Poor Alviarin is in for it when Egwene and the sisters show up.

Since Elaida got that sister...Purva?? ...took hunt for blacks.... hint hint Alviarin (talk about irony man....) I see a big chick fight and hopefully a confrontation with Messana.

But knowing RJ, he'll probably do a time warp thing and have the next book take place during the time of the 3rd one, but from Rands point of View.


Buckweet Gaidin

[TimGoldenboots]

Well, I can see the "Great Purge" mentioned in Egwene's trip through the Accepted Rings in TDR, They will get rid of the current BA from the White Tower. New ones will still be showing up later. ie. Elaida, This will be a good time for Alviarin to know about Traveling since she will undoubtedly escape. Also, she is piecing together clues as to Messana's identity in the Tower. You have to figure that she will figure it out just in time to make the escape with her Great Mistress.

My point is that Messana doesn't know about the BA getting discovered & wouldn't tell Alviarin how to Travel for that reason alone. There must have been a legitamit reason. I know from Alviarin's POV we haven't heard about any recent trips, but from Elaida's PoV we found out that Alviarin was missing from the tower for several hours.

[Buckweet]

Originally posted by TimGoldenboots
Well, I can see the "Great Purge" mentioned in Egwene's trip through the Accepted Rings in TDR,
......
but from Elaida's PoV we found out that Alviarin was missing from the tower for several hours.

Tuche Dude


Buckweet Gaidin

[Berk]

I just cannot see Vandene as being Black Ajah. Why would a sister in the BA retire to a farm in the middle of nowhere? If I was in the BA, I would stay where I can do some good (or bad, depending).

Personally, the Alviarin idea has merit in my eyes because I, too, do not know where she has been on her forays.

However, if there is a BA in their midst my guess would be Sareitha for the simple reason that just after a POV of some BA in the city mentioning a Aes Sedai in their party who is BA, Sareitha runs off into the city for some errand.

[Mann]

Alviarin has probably been to SG (remember she hadn't when she met Fain, but knew others who had), and if I was Mess I'd teach Alvi, just because it may prove useful to me later on (she also likes to teach remember).

[TimGoldenboots]

I suppose it would depend on the reason. Messana made it quit clear that Alviarin was her personal pet and that she would answer to Messana and TGLotD ONLY. I highly doubt that Messana would risk her pet getting snatched up by another forsaken like Moradin or anyone else who might find intrest in keeping tabs on what Messana is up to in the Tower.

[Kolo al'Jaden]

I think Messana dosn't care one way or the other what happens to Alviran as long as she gets what little use she can out of her. Oh I know who Messana is in the WT.... she is the new Mistress of novices... she was a teacher in the AOL and that is really what the Mistress of Novices is... a teacher/dean. I am so smart!

[Berk]

Can't be.

Elaida was getting penanced by Silviana when Alviarin was talking to Mesanna.

[Kolo al'Jaden]

Soo.... she could have made a clon... :p

[TimGoldenboots]

It is unlikely that Messana is even pretending to be an Aes Sedai. As far as we have ever seen, Forsaken have the ability to mask their ability to channel from other women. We have never seen them lessen the effect, for Messana to pose as an Aes Sedai, she would hardly be able to mask her ability in the OP and if another Aes Sedai senced how strong she was it would give her away since only Nynaeve is as strong as that... It would be noticed.

Sorry, but this is a RAFO. And BTW, Messana does not like to teach, she wanted to be a researcher in the AoL but was denied that and was instead made a teacher. A job she resented, even if she does have a knack for it...

[Berk]

Actually I once asked that very question to RJ and he said RAFO.

I later saw an interview where he answers and says that yes, it is possible to make it seem less powerful as well.

[TimGoldenboots]

Fair enough... So the mystery of her alter identity is wide open again...

[Kolo al'Jaden]

SHE IS WARDER WENCH! Yeah thats it... she is a warder hoe that goes around pleasing Gaidin.

[Arsenic & Lace]

Nod Berk, I suspect Sareitha as well. I had some reasons, but can't recall them at the moment. I'll have to read back through it.

[mona_is_stuey]

I don't think that adelas/vandene? was killed by an Aes Seadai, the manner of her death looked more like something a Myrddraal would do, Wheren't the black sisters in the Stone killed in a similar manner?

I doubt either was/is black ajah, or the shadow would have known that they where going to use the bowl of winds and made an attempt to stop it.

[sven]

The black sisters at the stone had there tongues nailed to the wall then their throats were slit.

[Byrn]

Umm, Messana was forced to be a teacher when she couldn't do research. She had to teach, so she teached them all, Muwhahahaha!

[Mann]

And while she didn't orriginally want to teach, she set up schools praising the glorys of the DO in all the territorries she came to control; showng she at least tolerated it, and possibly liked it.

Slayer killed the BA in Tear.

[Arsenic & Lace]

The BA in the Stone were killed by Slayer, he admitted it in his POV in WH. He also killed the Grey Man in the Tower.

But if it was Slayer that killed Adeleas, would he poison her first? And how would he go about getting the poison in the tea? They all assume that it had to be one of the other sisters, because Adeleas supposedly wouldn't drink anything from someone she didn't trust.

Also to consider, is Slayers little comment about poison in WH. He says something like "Although he had been granted many powers, resistance to poison was not one of them." This was after the attempted murder in Far Madding with some poisoned daggers that he was using. Poison was used in both instances. Is this a link between the killings, or mere coincidence?

[Mann]

It's unlikely that he killed Adeleas.

[teXXas]

This post is long dead but I might have something to add to it.

When Alviarin was having one of her talks with Mesaana in the White Tower, I think I remember her seeing brown fringe on her dress or somewhere. So that could mean that Mesaana is pretending to be a sister of the Brown Ajah. So she could have been anybody teaching them.

[4th Dimension]

Ahh this kind of resurecting old toppic can be compared to writing grafiti ower ancient inscriptions in pyramids.

Anyway. Aldelais murderer is revealed in KOD. And certain hints are given who might Measana be.